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Northern Light said:
As an entirely pragmatic matter, treaties aside, this simply isn't true.

For the vast majority of first nations, they don't generate their own electricity, they don't produce much of their own food, or construction supplies; in other words, they are entirely reliant on the Canadian state.

I'm not suggesting that's as it should be; or that that connotes anything other than the obvious facts.

It is what it is; were total sovereignty granted tomorrow, most of these communities would suffer immensely.

How we got there involves much injustice; so does all of human history.

But we're here now.

We ought to do better.
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That's all well and good but has nothing to do with who has sovereignty over the land in question which is the issue at hand.

It's a mess, yeah, but continuing to ignore the fact that land that has never been ceded has never been ceded is a poor way to start repairing the bullshit.

We can't even manage to honour treaties in relation to land that has been ceded so, maybe start there before going all buck on running land that was never ceded.

It's all very embarrassing and quite pathetic.
 
SunriseChampion said:
Fair questions. Not sure, nor is that my problem. I'm just here to point out that those lands belong to their people and our government has no authority over them. Never has.
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Like what others have said, the 'never has' is not quite so black and white, as it's still an 'it is what it is' - just like the land surveys and religions introduced during the colonial period - these elements will still stubbornly linger no matter what pre-colonial past is sought. There is no Canada-poof! tabula rasa here- it's more a matter of de jure (as determined by Delgamuukw) vs de facto rule here, and how the two will be rebalanced in the years to come.

Furthermore, taken to its logical extreme- does Canada have any moral ability to advocate for democracy if 'indigenous' systems take inherent precedence over anything that was imposed later on?

Could we say the same thing about Hong Kong and China, since Hong Kong was invaded, and had a colonial system imposed upon it? Not our lands, nor our citizens. Land was always part of China, whose sovereignty was unfairly violated. All Hong Kongers are largely ethnically Han people, whose 'will' is represented by the CCP (itself an indigenous development of the Chinese peoples). Just go away?

China condemns 'gross interference' by UK, Australia and Canada over HKSAR
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lenaitch said:
I'm inclined to leave them to sort it out and have winner come back to us before settlements or large financial input moves forward. But they need to do it amongst themselves. Bringing these matters to the courts solve little. Most often, a ruling is celebrated by the winners and ignored by the losers because 'white man's laws don't apply to them.
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Agreed- which is why the haste and secrecy to rush towards a settlement is concerning even some members of the Wet’suwet’en. This treaty going to fundamentally dictate their future and who holds power on the reserve- best to get governance resolved first. Like what some articles have been discussing, there's no reason why a hybrid system couldn't exist that blends both elected band leaders and hereditary chiefs together- but that's for them to decide.
 
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jje1000 said:
Agreed- which is why the haste and secrecy to rush towards a settlement is concerning even some members of the Wet’suwet’en. This treaty going to fundamentally dictate their future and who holds power on the reserve- best to get governance resolved first. Like what some articles have been discussing, there's no reason why a hybrid system couldn't exist that blends both elected band leaders and hereditary chiefs together- but that's for them to decide.
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I'm not sure it is going to be a 'treaty' in the traditional slash legal sense; it's being described as a .memorandum of understanding', but lawyers can parse that. There is, in fact, a Wet'suseten reserve territory just outside of Hazelton BC which I will assume is covered by a treaty. It is quite small; the unceded land in question is approximately 22,000 sq. km.

I assume much of the concern regarding haste is largely an extension of the 'traditional vs. elected' debate. Many other FN groups are onside with both Coastal Gas and Transmountain.
 
lenaitch said:
I'm not sure it is going to be a 'treaty' in the traditional slash legal sense; it's being described as a .memorandum of understanding', but lawyers can parse that. There is, in fact, a Wet'suseten reserve territory just outside of Hazelton BC which I will assume is covered by a treaty. It is quite small; the unceded land in question is approximately 22,000 sq. km.

I assume much of the concern regarding haste is largely an extension of the 'traditional vs. elected' debate. Many other FN groups are onside with both Coastal Gas and Transmountain.
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Not a big fan of the word 'traditional' there.

Hereditary vs elected is more accurate.

The simple fact of something having been the norm does not make it eligible (in my opinion) for serious contemporary consideration.

Slavery was traditional; so was the death penalty and homophobia............we did well to rid ourselves of such 'traditions'.

Some ideas are simply not worth sustaining.
 
Northern Light said:
Not a big fan of the word 'traditional' there.

Hereditary vs elected is more accurate.

The simple fact of something having been the norm does not make it eligible (in my opinion) for serious contemporary consideration.

Slavery was traditional; so was the death penalty and homophobia............we did well to rid ourselves of such 'traditions'.

Some ideas are simply not worth sustaining.
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I was using the word in the sense that traditionally, and no doubt in international law, treaties are formal agreements between or amongst sovereign nations Treaty of Paris, etc.). Whether this proposed agreement rises to that level or is more narrowly focused is unknown to me; I haven't seen it and, more importantly, taint no lawyer.
 
Meg Wanzhou is staying in Canada. The court found reason to let her extradition hearing continue as it passed the "double criminality" test.
I expect some petty tit-for-tat act from China in response.
 
Honestly immigration levels should be temporarily cut until the economy recovers.

No use bringing in more people when consumers have no money to support their enterprenuerialism, or jobs for them to fill- again, there's an additional 2 million fewer jobs in Canada at the moment.

Fewer jobs could crimp consumer spending, but it could also hurt the housing market, which has been growing in recent years to support the demand from new residents.

"Housing, whether it be real estate services, or residential construction, has become a very large part of the Canadian economy, particularly in Ontario and British Columbia," said Royce Mendes, a senior economist at CIBC Capital Markets.
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The fact that housing (which relies on perpetual growth in prices) has become a leading economic driver over other sectors of the economy is hardly healthy, IMO.
 
What do you guys think of the suspension of parliament?

The NDP sold out for sick days, which is pretty pathetic in my view but pretty well in line with what I'd expect from them: sell your soul for incremental socialist power to the people or whatever nonsense.

Why is it ok for me to go to work with other people but somehow unsafe for MPs? Again, they're more important than construction workers, I get it. Sorry for building your homes whilst you abrogate your responsibilities. No problem, you're welcome.

I'm trying to find out who the single Green MP who voted in line with the government is so I can moan at them seeing as I'm a member of that utopian fantasy again. ?

....ok, apparently it was Atwin. Typical millenial behaviour, innit. Sick days! :p

PS: I'm not opposed to paid sick days even if I put on my employer hat...I am opposed to shutting down parliament and doing so for such a paltry sum of ten sick days. I would have held the government for a ransom of at least UBI or something serious.

Or day cares....that same day, Atwin was speaking about how daycares are important to proper work-life balance and how they need to be made available to Canadians at affordable cost to them. This would have been another better price than ten sick days as well. Just saying.
 
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Niki Ashton is so out to lunch on most issues. I wish her seat would flip to the Liberals. This is why the NDP won't form a government...
 
Videodrome said:
Niki Ashton is so out to lunch on most issues. I wish her seat would flip to the Liberals. This is why the NDP won't form a government...
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Niki Ashton campaigned in a foreign country's election while being a sitting member of Canadian parliament.

I am sure she will do it again this fall. This is a very bad look for Canada, thankfully nobody seems to care/notice. It does confirm though that she is not too bright.
 
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