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[W. K. Lis]

Transit City was designed to bring rapid transit using light rail to the suburban areas of Toronto.

The Downtown Relief Line was to provide additional rapid transit to the downtown using heavy rail.

The mistake made was not to display the inclusion of the heavy rail plans, when Transit City was originally presented.

 

[Streety McCarface]

You want to compare OL (projected ridership, future extensions possibilities) to any other line proposed in the GTA?

Yonge North, but that project has its own set of problems.

 

[micheal_can]

The rolling stock is an issue there. Using LRV everywhere constrains capacity. Eglinton probably should have been full subway. And the Ontario Line should use TR rockets and and not sky train for the same reasons.

That's a surefire way to ensure nothing gets built - to upsize infrastructure to the highest cost option even when ridership does not justify it. Toronto need fast, easily accessible transit - not a specific mode everywhere.

AoD

Right now Yonge is at crush. Bloor is getting there. This line is supposed to relieve both of them. Which means if it has less capacity of each of them it is doomed to failure.

 

[MisterF]

Yonge North, but that project has its own set of problems.

I don't know about the Ontario Line, but the first phase of the Relief line was projected to have slightly higher ridership than Yonge North. And significantly higher once extended to Sheppard. Yonge North will still be very busy though.

 

[asher__jo]

The problem is, Toronto needs subway lines in way to many places. LRT will not solve those issues.

Toronto NEEDS rapid transit

 

[Streety McCarface]

I don't know about the Ontario Line, but the first phase of the Relief line was projected to have slightly higher ridership than Yonge North. And significantly higher once extended to Sheppard. Yonge North will still be very busy though.

Yonge North was 6 km and 5 stations, however, the original relief line was 6.5 km and 8 stations. I don't remember the exact ridership projections for each, but assuming Yonge North is about 200K and the Relief line is 350K, the per station ridership is as follows:

YN — 40K Passengers/Station
RL — 43K Passengers/Station

From a cost perspective, 5B for YN and 8.5B for RL:

YN — 25K $/Passenger
RL — 24.3 $/Passenger

They're very similar. The RL was obviously prioritized however due to the need for relief at Yonge and Bloor.

 

[micheal_can]

Toronto NEEDS rapid transit

It does, but if we put in BRT then it won't bee good enough, right? It still is rapid. So, the real point is to get the right rapid transit that can handle the opening day and the future loads.

Yonge North was 6 km and 5 stations, however, the original relief line was 6.5 km and 8 stations. I don't remember the exact ridership projections for each, but assuming Yonge North is about 200K and the Relief line is 350K, the per station ridership is as follows:

YN — 40K Passengers/Station
RL — 43K Passengers/Station

From a cost perspective, 5B for YN and 8.5B for RL:

YN — 25K $/Passenger
RL — 24.3 $/Passenger

They're very similar. The RL was obviously prioritized however due to the need for relief at Yonge and Bloor.

So, we should make the Yonge North LRT. Or, ,maybe there is a smarter way.

 

[Streety McCarface]

So, we should make the Yonge North LRT. Or, ,maybe there is a smarter way.

How about we just make them both subways and time them correctly?

 

[urbanyimby]

How about we just make them both subways and time them correctly?

How is this conversation relevant to this thread??

 

[micheal_can]

How is this conversation relevant to this thread??

Because too many people think that the line should not have the same rolling stock as the existing subways.

 

[asher__jo]

right? It still is rapid. So, the real point is to get the right rapid transit

Subways or nothing has resulted in this issues: http://stevemunro.ca/2020/03/11/starving-the-bus-network-for-service/

 

[Johnny Au]

The city could implement a 0.5% sales tax to pay for transit expansion. Even Atlanta, the unofficial capital of the Deep South and famous for its urban sprawl, implemented a sales tax to pay for transit expansion and Atlanta makes the Ford types progressive in comparison.

 

[mdu]

The city could implement a 0.5% sales tax to pay for transit expansion. Even Atlanta, the unofficial capital of the Deep South and famous for its urban sprawl, implemented a sales tax to pay for transit expansion and Atlanta makes the Ford types progressive in comparison.

Unfortunately, the city doesn't have the power to impose sales taxes.

 

[H4F33Z]

The city could implement a 0.5% sales tax to pay for transit expansion. Even Atlanta, the unofficial capital of the Deep South and famous for its urban sprawl, implemented a sales tax to pay for transit expansion and Atlanta makes the Ford types progressive in comparison.

Maybe put the tax on the drivers instead?

 

[Overtime]

Regarding different rolling stock that is to be used for this line, would vehicles like the Azur Metro or Alstom Metropolis vehicles in Montreal or other similar modern vehicles could be potentially used for this line?