Toronto 2 Carlton | 251.1m | 73s | Northam | IBI Group

[AlvinofDiaspar]

still not going to get built like this. This is more than likely a rezoning exercise for later sale.

True, but nothing prevents them from building it as is once approved.

AoD

 

[Automation Gallery]

still not going to get built like this. This is more than likely a rezoning exercise for later sale.

You kidding, 1-1/2 years later and yet another re-design??, what next 'a 196 meter glass box with black and white balconies

 

[maestro]

The owners are pushing something here to spite new planning policy that reads their site is too small for a typical 700sqm tower. This is just the start.

 

[cd concept]

You kidding, 1-1/2 years later and yet another re-design??, what next 'a 196 meter glass box with black and white balconies

It's amazing how most of us talk negative about the same cut and paste glass boxes going up in the city. And there's nothing we can do about it but look at it when it's finished!

 

[Koops65]

The revised 2 Carlton:

The big picture:

 

[67Cup]

Just to be clear, the “like” above is for Koops’ great work, not for the design of the building

 

[maestro]

It's amazing how most of us talk negative about the same cut and paste glass boxes going up in the city. And there's nothing we can do about it but look at it when it's finished!

It's misguided to think a mediocre combination of curves, undulations, crowns, stepbacks, etc. take longer to create a concept or, are any less cut and paste than those dreaded boxes. Quality in design should come first. It shouldn't be about the general massing. Not one of the designs for 2 Carlton has an original idea new to Toronto. Every one looks thrown together very quickly.

 

[LMVDR]

The owners are pushing something here to spite new planning policy that reads their site is too small for a typical 700sqm tower. This is just the start.

Can someone please tell me the size of the site? Seems like a great spot for 73 storeys. Right at the corner of Yonge and Carlton. How is this any less appropriate for mega density than Aura?

 

[cityspace]

The revision is ok i guess.. if they don't use cheap cladding, it will look OK. But the two original twin towers were more striking, more daring, more futuristic...This is just...classy?? Why was the original proposal changed, anybody know?

 

[Benito]

Whatever is built here, it should retain if not increase the commercial square footage and not greatly reduce it as it appears this most recent update does.

 

[isaidso]

Can someone please tell me the size of the site? Seems like a great spot for 73 storeys. Right at the corner of Yonge and Carlton. How is this any less appropriate for mega density than Aura?

If it is too big for this lot according to planning policy, then perhaps the planning policy is needs to change.

 

[Automation Gallery]

If it is too big for this lot according to planning policy, then perhaps the planning policy is needs to change.

Haha why?
with the outdated planning policy they can always make a backroom deal and compromise

As the Panel pointed out, typically when a developer asks for more height or density, they must give more in return, usually in the form of public realm or streetscape improvements, or community facilities. In the case of 2 Carlton, with a proposed height 18 storeys above the suggested maximum, the Panel stressed that "when the ask is big, then the offer to the City must be equally as generous",

 

[Mongo]

Haha why?
with the outdated planning policy they can always make a backroom deal and compromise

As the Panel pointed out, typically when a developer asks for more height or density, they must give more in return, usually in the form of public realm or streetscape improvements, or community facilities. In the case of 2 Carlton, with a proposed height 18 storeys above the suggested maximum, the Panel stressed that "when the ask is big, then the offer to the City must be equally as generous",

I can understand why the City prefers keeping the outdated zoning policy, since it generally results in more easily gaining benefits to the public realm. But doing so is still ethically dubious in my opinion.

 

[innsertnamehere]

the 18 storeys isn't above as of right zoning, which is considerably less. It's above the north yonge planning framework, which is an area specific policy under the official plan. So it needs an OPA, not a rezoning.

 

[interchange42]

I can understand why the City prefers keeping the outdated zoning policy, since it generally results in more easily gaining benefits to the public realm. But doing so is still ethically dubious in my opinion.

Reforming the zoning would also mean having to find a new way to fund neighbourhood improvements. If you're moving lots of new people into an area, there's no reason why infrastructure improvements should not be part of the approval in some way.

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