2018 Ontario PC Leadership Race

[animatronic]

It's a good question, actually this is a good discussion altogether. My observation is that Granic, by not being taken seriously by any faction of size, is just not a threat to the 'status quo'. Pardon my language, but she's an obnoxious flip case, the kind that would have a few drinks at a party, and promptly offend everyone. There's something hideous about her. The pious usually stink. She reminds me of too many 'Born Agains' who still smoke and drink while lecturing everyone else on how immoral they are. And I get a tinge of that 'morality play' from the likes of Fedeli and Hillier too. My sixth sense alerts me that the reason they preach so high and mighty is to hide their own skeletons.

My hunch? They won't, either before or after. I can't see an homogenous party after all this shid, and they shouldn't stay together. One faction will reform into a viable and electable centrist party.

The rest can have book and witch burnings, and hunt taxes with hounds. "Tally" Ho!

Oddly enough, an exception to the rule appears to be Hudak. By all accounts he was the guy in private that he claimed to be in public. Most of his policies were nuts but he was actually a family man.

 

[animatronic]

It was presumptive of me to pigeonhole you, my apologies, but from your comments in a number of forums, you were slightly to the right in spirit, if not voting.

One has to wonder if the contagion is contained to the Cons? Are the Libs just able to hold things together by good fortune rather than intrinsic strength?

It's not just Ontario, it's international even where parties, rather than coalescing, seem to be fracturing. A good part of that is down to proportional representation, but not all of it.

Is the day of "The Big Tent" numbered? We might be about to find out as that pertains to the OntCons. Frankly, I and a lot of folks would be happy to the see the emergence of a Centrist Alternative, much akin to the Big Blue Machine of the past. Blue in name, but very centrist, and with few exceptions, a very effective regime for generations.

Most likely scenario is a "moderate" Elliott/Mulroney victory followed by a thumping at the polls leading into a Wildrose-style schism. And no, it won't be the Trillium Party.

 

[steveintoronto]

By all accounts he was the guy in private that he claimed to be in public. Most of his policies were nuts but he was actually a family man.

I'm not totally cynical. There are some outstanding persons in politics. But the limelight attracts a lot of bugs too.

Most likely scenario is a "moderate" Elliott/Mulroney victory followed by a thumping at the polls leading into a Wildrose-style schism. And no, it won't be the Trillium Party.

Yeah, I can certainly see that as being one of the scenarios. Even if Brown attracted the 'centre' (the Manifesto, or whatever it's called, can never remember) is saleable, the same outcome would result in terms of a dead firecracker, and a fizzled party.

 

[SunriseChampion]

My observation is that Granic, by not being taken seriously by any faction of size, is just not a threat to the 'status quo'.

Yeah, that's likely the case. At the same time, are they sure she's not? You saw it from all the original leadership candidates: a move into reality denial and a strange last century worldview. This suggests that the membership--or more accurately a substantial minority-- are amenable to such thinking. Is a move into last century good for the party? I reckon that's highly doubtful, regardless of any sort of undercurrent of anger in the province which some see as proof that we aren't immune to electing demagogue-fools. (Though, I dare say a lot of the people who find themselves in dire financial straits have only themselves to blame. Do you need a TV that big? Do you need 4 cars? Do you need 5 bedrooms? Why did you run up your credit card balance that high? Etc. Some people are so adept at blaming others for their ills that I'd think they expect the government to pay their friggin bills. Others so self-absorbed and ignorant that they want the world for free. See, for example: Alberta).

The pious usually stink.

I'm not sure that's necessarily true. The self-righteous however.....

She reminds me of too many 'Born Agains' who still smoke and drink while lecturing everyone else on how immoral they are.

Smoke and drink aren't immoral. Being self-righteous is.

My hunch? They won't, either before or after. I can't see an homogenous party after all this shid, and they shouldn't stay together. One faction will reform into a viable and electable centrist party.

I'm actually excited about the prospect of a schism in the party. Especially given the new-found preponderance of dated thinking and rhetoric after what seemed like a move in the right direction. In spite of our flawed [rubbish] electoral system, the more choice and nuance in party politics, the healthier the democracy. People need to be able to vote for something they believe in and not just to vote against the other. The whole of voting against the other instead of for one's actual beliefs and worldview is a sort of democratic disease that needs to be eradicated.

The rest can have book and witch burnings, and hunt taxes with hounds. "Tally" Ho!

Hahaaaa......

I sometimes find it funny (other times puzzling) that the same people who, if they knew me, would probably think I'm a degenerate "citizen of nowhere" who should be in prison or at least flogged unto repentance and repudiation of my misguided and "evil" ways of being are the same people who think they can convince me to vote for them by simplifying and generalising about the types of people who might. The same people whose ideology can sometimes be deleterious to my well-being and happiness (by ignoring climate change, for example, or by spreading lies and misinformation about psychoactives) think that because I'm a certain type of citizen (full-time working, fully tax-paying) that they can convince me to vote for them.

Easy there, bud. Don't let the political game get to your head. Some of us actually think about what we're told before forming an opinion of it. Better luck next time.

 

[44 North]

I kinda hope Brown wins the leadership. I don't like what those behind the curtains did to him. Have an inkling Diane Ford was part of it just because it had those orchestrated spectacle vibes that us in TO are familiar with. I'd consider even voting for Brown if he was in charge, with the main reason being the bs he had to go through. And at the end of the day he was trying to right the ship by bringing the PCs back to their Red Tory roots...still not sure why so many in the caucus are upset about that. If they want some republican bible-thumping conservative party, then just make a new party.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Caroline Mulroney calls on Patrick Brown to "step aside" from his run for PC leader. And she's asking the other leadership candidates to join her in this call.

There is something rather funny about leadership candidate asking other competitors to join her and ask for the ex-leader to quit a race that his resignation/dismissal necessitated in the first place. And I thought this is the family values bunch.

AoD

 

[King of Kensington]

I kinda hope Brown wins the leadership. I don't like what those behind the curtains did to him. Have an inkling Diane Ford was part of it just because it had those orchestrated spectacle vibes that us in TO are familiar with. I'd consider even voting for Brown if he was in charge, with the main reason being the bs he had to go through. And at the end of the day he was trying to right the ship by bringing the PCs back to their Red Tory roots...still not sure why so many in the caucus are upset about that. If they want some republican bible-thumping conservative party, then just make a new party.

Instead of that more far-fetched hypothesis, maybe Brown really is a sexual predator (regardless of his ideological positioning within the PC Party).

 

[John_Dee]

I'm one of those people who had some sympathy for Patrick Brown despite not liking the man - but then, I'm not a tory, so I wouldn't be voting for him anyway. Even so, I'm agog at the freak show this little contest is shaping up to be. Really, who could have foreseen any of this wacky nonsense erupting? And in a race that includes the daughter of one of the most despised PMs in recent history, well-known petty criminal & fame whore Douggie-poo "Thug" Ford and that brainless Granic Allen wackadoodle?

Putting aside the reality of Brown's behavior (whatever the truth of the matter), the plain fact is he's damaged goods now. I have to wonder how sensible this road is that he's elected to go down. I can appreciate that he wants revenge, hell, I actually approve of such a motive. But wouldn't he be better served taking this to court? If he actually gave a damn about the party, then wouldn't he do so?

 

[Hopkins123]

I'm one of those people who had some sympathy for Patrick Brown despite not liking the man - but then, I'm not a tory, so I wouldn't be voting for him anyway. Even so, I'm agog at the freak show this little contest is shaping up to be. Really, who could have foreseen any of this wacky nonsense erupting? And in a race that includes the daughter of one of the most despised PMs in recent history, well-known petty criminal & fame whore Douggie-poo "Thug" Ford and that brainless Granic Allen wackadoodle?

Putting aside the reality of Brown's behavior (whatever the truth of the matter), the plain fact is he's damaged goods now. I have to wonder how sensible this road is that he's elected to go down. I can appreciate that he wants revenge, hell, I actually approve of such a motive. But wouldn't he be better served taking this to court? If he actually gave a damn about the party, then wouldn't he do so?

Maybe this is by design to make Christine Elliot seem the most likely to win when contrasted to the other "deplorables" in the running.

 

[Transportfan]

I found my centrist alternative years ago.
Socialists think we're conservatives and conservatives think we're socialists.

The socialists are correct. Conservatives are centrist, not far right as is commonly thought.

 

[SunriseChampion]

The socialists are correct. Conservatives are centrist, not far right as is commonly thought.

Well, classical conservatives most definitely were. That ship sailed into funny waters though after David Orchard lost the federal PC leadership race to the sell-out Peter McKay and continues to sail aimlessly after the poor results for Michael Chong in the latest Conservative leadership race.

 

[animatronic]

This woman is batshit crazy:


"PC" stands for "politically correct" and is suggestive of a sort of censorship that currently afflicts the western world.


By coincidence, P.C. are also the initials for Progressive Conservative, the name of the largest "conservative" political party in Ontario.


One of my main reasons for running to be the PC Party leader is my opposition to "PC" as political correctness. And my inspiration for the fight against "PC" politically correct censorship is Ontario's very own Jordan Peterson.


Although he is a tenured professor at the University of Toronto, Jordan Peterson knows about grassroots Canadians. He grew up in a farming community. And he hasn't abandoned his commitments to common sense and plain-speaking.


Thank goodness.


And thank goodness for Lindsay Shepherd, a 24-year-old Wilfrid Laurier University grad student. Lindsay Shepherd was taken to task by the university administration for playing a recording of Jordan Peterson's talking good, common sense about culture, families and human nature.


But on our university campuses and too often in the broader culture, good common sense about culture, families, and human nature is all too UNCOMMON.


Our universities – once bastions of free speech in Western society – have become dens of political correctness. Dens in which anyone who speaks principled, common sense is thrown to the lions!


Jordan Peterson and Lindsay Shepherd are bona fide, Ontario free speech heroes. They inspire me to speak plainly on behalf of families, children, and seniors, against the flood of warped cultural madness.


That is why in the TVO debate I spoke very plainly without dancing around the truth.


That is why as PC Leader I will tell you the unvarnished truth, and hold to common sense commitments about human nature, families and culture.


I want to be the PC Party leader who will oppose "PC" (politically correct) censorship.


That is why as a PC Party Premier I will bring implement policies in support of these commitments.


And that is why I need your support and your vote in this leadership election.


Conservative. For a Change,

Tanya Granic Allen

Candidate for Ontario PC Leader

 

[44 North]

This woman is batshit crazy:


"PC" stands for "politically correct" and is suggestive of a sort of censorship that currently afflicts the western world.


By coincidence, P.C. are also the initials for Progressive Conservative, the name of the largest "conservative" political party in Ontario.


One of my main reasons for running to be the PC Party leader is my opposition to "PC" as political correctness. And my inspiration for the fight against "PC" politically correct censorship is Ontario's very own Jordan Peterson.


Although he is a tenured professor at the University of Toronto, Jordan Peterson knows about grassroots Canadians. He grew up in a farming community. And he hasn't abandoned his commitments to common sense and plain-speaking.


Thank goodness.


And thank goodness for Lindsay Shepherd, a 24-year-old Wilfrid Laurier University grad student. Lindsay Shepherd was taken to task by the university administration for playing a recording of Jordan Peterson's talking good, common sense about culture, families and human nature.


But on our university campuses and too often in the broader culture, good common sense about culture, families, and human nature is all too UNCOMMON.


Our universities – once bastions of free speech in Western society – have become dens of political correctness. Dens in which anyone who speaks principled, common sense is thrown to the lions!


Jordan Peterson and Lindsay Shepherd are bona fide, Ontario free speech heroes. They inspire me to speak plainly on behalf of families, children, and seniors, against the flood of warped cultural madness.


That is why in the TVO debate I spoke very plainly without dancing around the truth.


That is why as PC Leader I will tell you the unvarnished truth, and hold to common sense commitments about human nature, families and culture.


I want to be the PC Party leader who will oppose "PC" (politically correct) censorship.


That is why as a PC Party Premier I will bring implement policies in support of these commitments.


And that is why I need your support and your vote in this leadership election.


Conservative. For a Change,

Tanya Granic Allen

Candidate for Ontario PC Leader

Hard not to focus on the name Tanya without considering the possibility that she's been brainwashed by some batty alt-something faction. A la Patty Hearst. Or I guess Mr Wilhelm from Seinfeld. "Wilhelm? My name is Tanya".

 

[John_Dee]

Well, Tanya is one letter away from "Tonya," so perhaps she's being influenced by Tonya Harding? Wouldn't it be fun if she broke one of Dofo's knees with a tire iron during the next debate?

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Our universities – once bastions of free speech in Western society – have become dens of political correctness. Dens in which anyone who speaks principled, common sense is thrown to the lions!

Got to love the quasi-religious imagery in this one.

AoD