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[sixrings]

I'm just trying to figure this out because I was thinking some people have cars but live in apartments in condos in the area. That is what makes Yonge - Eglinton unique from the outer burbs or downtown, people can walk, use transit or bike so Eglinton connects was the correct solution. Sixrings you live a little west so it's a bit different but I'm guessing you guys think Eglinton could still be more urban?

There is one condo "The Hill" under construction just west of bathurst on Eglinton and another proposal directly at the south west Eglinton and bathurst corner. I heard from someone cant remember who that there is also another proposal coming for the north west side of Eglinton and Bathurst as well. Finally the old blockbuster building on the south east side of bathurst and Eglinton always has for lease signs. Im sure they would sell given motivation from a developer. The point is that even to the west of Yonge there will see significant development and I didnt even mention The Hub condos at Oakwood. Yes it can and will become more urban.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

There is one condo "The Hill" under construction just west of bathurst on Eglinton and another proposal directly at the south west Eglinton and bathurst corner. I heard from someone cant remember who that there is also another proposal coming for the north west side of Eglinton and Bathurst as well. Finally the old blockbuster building on the south east side of bathurst and Eglinton always has for lease signs. Im sure they would sell given motivation from a developer. The point is that even to the west of Yonge there will see significant development and I didnt even mention The Hub condos at Oakwood. Yes it can and will become more urban.

Next question. Doesn't not building Eglinton West now negate the idea all of eglinton will become urban? There are apartments at 427, Martin Grove, Kipling, etc. Although most people drive, that's right now and it can change right?

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Who is opposed to building Eglinton West?

I worry if we wait too long we will lose the wonderful opportunity that is the Richview corridor.

 

[sixrings]

The richview corridor is gone and sold off and being developed as we speak. Im sure between weston avenue we are going to see midrise. Im sure between avenue and bayview we are going to see highrise. Im sure between bayview and kennedy we will see midrise, on all those car lots especially. Eglinton from weston to the airport I dont know. There isnt as much land available and the area is already pretty developed. The east has more to work with. I would like to see the Eglinton line get to the airport asap.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Who is opposed to building Eglinton West?

I worry if we wait too long we will lose the wonderful opportunity that is the Richview corridor.

The richview corridor is gone and sold off and being developed as we speak. Im sure between weston avenue we are going to see midrise. Im sure between avenue and bayview we are going to see highrise. Im sure between bayview and kennedy we will see midrise, on all those car lots especially. Eglinton from weston to the airport I dont know. There isnt as much land available and the area is already pretty developed. The east has more to work with. I would like to see the Eglinton line get to the airport asap.

Glen Murray the UPX fanboy. They should not necessairly build Eglinton West underground but if the Richview Corridor is gone then we will have to put it on Eglinton. I agree, I want it built and then far Eglinton East and Kingston to UTSC to have a solution soon as well.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Eg west is pointless if there is a good GO connection to the airport. It would take well over an hour using the LRT to get to the airport from downtown, or you could take GO in ~30 minutes. there is a reason the line has been relegated to the depths of the Big Move.

 

[rbt]

Eg west is pointless if there is a good GO connection to the airport.

There is value in connecting the Mississauga BRT and the Eglinton LRT, particularly if fare integration of some type eventually occurs. Whether the LRT should be extended west or the BRT should be extended East into Toronto or both to some point in the middle is certainly up for discussion.

 

[salsa]

Eg west is pointless if there is a good GO connection to the airport. It would take well over an hour using the LRT to get to the airport from downtown, or you could take GO in ~30 minutes. there is a reason the line has been relegated to the depths of the Big Move.

Not everyone is coming from downtown.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Eg west is pointless if there is a good GO connection to the airport. It would take well over an hour using the LRT to get to the airport from downtown, or you could take GO in ~30 minutes. there is a reason the line has been relegated to the depths of the Big Move.

I think there is more value in extending the line between Martin Grove and Jane. Its just that once you are so close to the airport, why not just extend it all the way?

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Eg west is pointless if there is a good GO connection to the airport. It would take well over an hour using the LRT to get to the airport from downtown, or you could take GO in ~30 minutes. there is a reason the line has been relegated to the depths of the Big Move.

And there still isn't. UPX isn't go, and all day service on the Kitchener line is supposed to happen "sometime" before 2023.

Not everyone is coming from downtown.

I think there is more value in extending the line between Martin Grove and Jane. Its just that once you are so close to the airport, why not just extend it all the way?

The airport has a higher concentration of jobs then yonge/eg, NYCC. Plus This would give us a reason to bring the DRL to mount dennis.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Not everyone is coming from downtown.

which is why they can connect to GO at bloor or Eglinton.

Airport area has a higher concentration, but it is a huge area and has stupidly low densities of office employment, it just so happens that there is lots there. The area that it is measured from is huge though.

 

[ehlow]

which is why they can connect to GO at bloor or Eglinton.

Airport area has a higher concentration, but it is a huge area and has stupidly low densities of office employment, it just so happens that there is lots there. The area that it is measured from is huge though.

That's what I was thinking. Depending on the fares (which they are still probably discussing), it's very viable to take Eglinton or Bloor to the UPX and transfer.

Of course, this doesn't help those in the apartment buildings along Eglinton West, or people going to the Mississauga offices, but it does seem viable to me to get to the airport.

 

[EnviroTO]

The people who show up at these public consultations are not the same people who live in this area. I think that the bike/anti-car nuts are severely overrepresented at these meetings. Hardly anyone rides bikes around Yonge/Eglinton, even in the summer. Pretty much everyone who lives in this area either takes TTC or drives. Traffic on Eglinton is horrible and we don't want to make it even worse.

The people who are at these meetings ARE the people who live in this area. The meeting notes show that at one session the local ward counsellor's outreach communication was cited as the largest generator of attendance. I think, just like when I was living on Queens Quay and had to listen to people complain about loosing 2 lanes on Queens Quay, that the population who would complain about Eglinton Connects tend to be those who have made the decision long before Eglinton Connects not to live in the area because it doesn't suit their lifestyle. People who do live in the area have made a decision to live in an area where your home dollars don't go as far for the purpose of not having to drive for many activities and to support a commute that is largely walking and transit based, but which is seeing increasing numbers of cyclists. Equally, people who complain about traffic calming are largely people who do not live on the streets where traffic calming has been implemented. People who want 6 lanes of traffic plus turning lanes can head over to Mississauga Centre where they will find something that more supports their style, and the cost of homes nearby is lower. I don't know why people who do not live in the area care about the loss of lanes at Yonge and Eglinton. Yonge has got to be the slowest way to move north and south (try the DVP, Bayview, Mt.Pleasant, Avenue Rd, etc and get there faster), and Eglinton isn't a good way to go east-west (try Lawrence, Wilson, 401). Yonge and Eglinton are streets with lots of lights, and lots of pedestrians. The reason the LRT is underground here is because it is faster.

 

[howl]

The people who are at these meetings ARE the people who live in this area. The meeting notes show that at one session the local ward counsellor's outreach communication was cited as the largest generator of attendance. I think, just like when I was living on Queens Quay and had to listen to people complain about loosing 2 lanes on Queens Quay, that the population who would complain about Eglinton Connects tend to be those who have made the decision long before Eglinton Connects not to live in the area because it doesn't suit their lifestyle. People who do live in the area have made a decision to live in an area where your home dollars don't go as far for the purpose of not having to drive for many activities and to support a commute that is largely walking and transit based, but which is seeing increasing numbers of cyclists. Equally, people who complain about traffic calming are largely people who do not live on the streets where traffic calming has been implemented. People who want 6 lanes of traffic plus turning lanes can head over to Mississauga Centre where they will find something that more supports their style, and the cost of homes nearby is lower. I don't know why people who do not live in the area care about the loss of lanes at Yonge and Eglinton. Yonge has got to be the slowest way to move north and south (try the DVP, Bayview, Mt.Pleasant, Avenue Rd, etc and get there faster), and Eglinton isn't a good way to go east-west (try Lawrence, Wilson, 401). Yonge and Lawrence are streets with lots of lights, and lots of pedestrians. The reason the LRT is underground here is because it is faster.

I agree with you. In general, people want traffic to move slow in their own neighbourhood, and fast in other people's neighbourhoods. This includes the business owners in particular. Urban businesses rely on walk-in and bike-in traffic much more than drive in traffic, so the slower and more pedestrian/cycling friendly you can make a street the more customers you will get.

 

[JayBeeGooner]

Eg west is pointless if there is a good GO connection to the airport. It would take well over an hour using the LRT to get to the airport from downtown, or you could take GO in ~30 minutes. there is a reason the line has been relegated to the depths of the Big Move.

Why do only trips from downtown matter?

The western leg of the Eglinton line can be beneficial for Airport workers and residents who live along Eglinton Ave. Not every airport user/worker lives downtown. The western leg will be a useful part of the network.