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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

ehlow said:
I don't understand this:
http://www.cp24.com/news/city-defen...nt-lane-reductions-not-part-of-plan-1.1902502



Yet the mega map here:
http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=44ae86664ea71410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD

Shows 1 lane in each direction & a turn lane between Avenue & Mt Pleasant. Maybe they changed the plan?
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Either a miscommunication or Ford is right and someone got caught with their pants down at planning. Even after the Crosstown is built Eglinton can't go down to one lane.
 
Between Avenue and Mt.Pleasant there isn't much traffic after the buses are gone. There is parking permitted on Eglinton and due to the mall and subway station there are usually cabs sitting around (plus trucks doing deliveries). There isn't much change in the capacity of the street between 4 lanes with parking in the side lanes and cabs standing, and a street with 2 lanes and laybys for parking or standing. For example buses turning from Duplex right onto Eglinton ALWAYS goes to the center lane because the side lane doesn't move. The key is off street laybys and loading plus turn lanes so that the lanes which remain move.
 
EnviroTO said:
Between Avenue and Mt.Pleasant there isn't much traffic after the buses are gone. There is parking permitted on Eglinton and due to the mall and subway station there are usually cabs sitting around (plus trucks doing deliveries). There isn't much change in the capacity of the street between 4 lanes with parking in the side lanes and cabs standing, and a street with 2 lanes and laybys for parking or standing. For example buses turning from Duplex right onto Eglinton ALWAYS goes to the center lane because the side lane doesn't move. The key is off street laybys and loading plus turn lanes so that the lanes which remain move.
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Fair enough but it is the business intersection in the city. Let's hope the crosstown will mean less cars.
 
EnviroTO said:
Between Avenue and Mt.Pleasant there isn't much traffic after the buses are gone. There is parking permitted on Eglinton and due to the mall and subway station there are usually cabs sitting around (plus trucks doing deliveries). There isn't much change in the capacity of the street between 4 lanes with parking in the side lanes and cabs standing, and a street with 2 lanes and laybys for parking or standing. For example buses turning from Duplex right onto Eglinton ALWAYS goes to the center lane because the side lane doesn't move. The key is off street laybys and loading plus turn lanes so that the lanes which remain move.
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This section of Eglinton will be a lot busier when new condos get built.

Reducing road capacity in a city with traffic as bad as Toronto is a terrible idea.
 
andrewpmk said:
This section of Eglinton will be a lot busier when new condos get built.

Reducing road capacity in a city with traffic as bad as Toronto is a terrible idea.
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If they reduce on street parking capacity to zero (by moving parking spots to these laneways or under condos), that stretch of Eglinton would be much, much faster. Although it would be need enforcement, which we don't get too often.
 
andrewpmk said:
This section of Eglinton will be a lot busier when new condos get built.

Reducing road capacity in a city with traffic as bad as Toronto is a terrible idea.
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What about pedestrian traffic? The sidewalks are already very busy and the new condos will generate even more pedestrian traffic.
 
andrewpmk said:
This section of Eglinton will be a lot busier when new condos get built.

Reducing road capacity in a city with traffic as bad as Toronto is a terrible idea.
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It will never be as dense as downtown, unlike King there will be turning lanes, and there is a decent street grid in the area to distribute local traffic. Anyone that has tried on multiple occasions to cross the city on Eglinton would know that there are better ways (i.e. Lawrence or the 401) because Eglinton wasn't moving most days prior to construction. Eglinton is now 2 lanes each way and will be for the next 5 years with or without Eglinton Connects and that is with buses on the street and no underground LRT. The whole point of these transit projects are to get people to use them and Yonge and Eglinton is the intersection of two lines. They will reduce Front street to two lanes in front of Union Station as well... but it doesn't matter because the effective capacity (the lanes which are free of parked and standing vehicles) will not really change. Why build LRT for billions of dollars and then make more lanes of traffic through the area than there was originally?
 
andrewpmk said:
Reducing road capacity in a city with traffic as bad as Toronto is a terrible idea.
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Although, reducing road capacity doesn't automatically equal worse congestion either. Many mature cities reduce road capacity for a variety of reasons and continue to prosper, often even more so after. Traffic is elastic basically.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
This is not great to say the least. They should have been upfront with this.
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They have been very up front about this project. We have received mailings, there have been a number of public workshops, all the businesses were invited, etc. I was voting on the changes last October in a survey of differing options.
 
A cursory look at Yonge and Eglinton as offered by Google Street view here at a variety of times and dates shows at best an approximate ratio of 50 motor vehicles to one bicycle moving on the street, at some dates there are no bicycles at all. Did the planners on this project realize that the bicycle lobby here in Toronto is much noisier than their numbers justify? The sidewalks are far from crowded in every instance. https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.7066...!1e1!3m2!1scbArqF9mJirHfHRhO0EUhw!2e0!5m1!1e3
 
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