Toronto 89 Avenue Yorkville | 76.5m | 20s | Armour Heights | Richard Wengle

interchange42 said:
Yes, but there are degrees to everything.

If a developer wants a little more than what the local zoning allows, Councillors can be more accommodating in trying to negotiate for S37, etc. If the developer wants a lot more and is not willing to reduce their expectations, then negotiations either fail or never happen at all. Go to far beyond the local zoning and the Councillor can't help, and the Panning Department is pretty much bound to refuse an application: rules is rules is rules, and they can only bend so far.

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What about Mirvish+Ghery? Easily the most bold and non-compliant-with-exciting-zoning development proposal in recent history. It greatly exceeds existing density and high limits limits in an area that no one ever could have imagined. Granted, it hasn't been approved yet... but the councilor hasn't shot it down either. He's holding quiet a few public meetings to educate the public about the good this development will bring.
 
Mirvish+Gehry will run into Planning Department opposition. Vaughan holds public consultations beyond those required (the statutory ones) because he tries to get a good development worked out before a developer decides just to pack it in and high-tail it off to the OMB. Because of the magnitude of the M+G proposal though, yes, it is garnering more attention from everyone, Adam Vaughan, the Planning Department, the media in general, and especially us!

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interchange42 said:
Mirvish+Gehry will run into Planning Department opposition. Vaughan holds public consultations beyond those required (the statutory ones) because he tries to get a good development worked out before a developer decides just to pack it in and high-tail it off to the OMB. Because of the magnitude of the M+G proposal though, yes, it is garnering more attention from everyone, Adam Vaughan, the Planning Department, the media in general, and especially us!

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Fair enough -- actually Mirvish+Gehry is the one proposal that should it be shot down on the grounds of the losing of a vibrant city block with designated-historic buildings, I would understand and accept the decision.
 
fedplanner said:
Granted, it hasn't been approved yet... but the councilor hasn't shot it down either. He's holding quiet a few public meetings to educate the public about the good this development will bring.
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No, no, no. That's not what community consultations ARE, or what they should be.
 
Community consultations are for an opportunity for the community impacted by the proposed development to bring their comments (whether or good or bad ) to the developer, the city planners and the councilor. Its simply a forum for dialogue for all parties involved.
 
89 Avenue Road was refused this morning at Toronto-East York Community Council. That result will be passed on to City Council for the final vote.

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It was characterized as the poster child for overdevelopment of a site. Go back to the planning report and look how it compares to everything around it.

Everyone who spoke about it spoke against it, and in fact, the proponents did not even bother to show up. In other words, they're not interested in engaging with the City on this. This'll be be straight off to the OMB.

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The closest thing nearby is about a dozen storeys. I think something around 18 to 20 storeys wouldn't be crazy for this area.
 
It's totally different here from 197-201 Yonge. You have people living around all sides in much shorter buildings with this proposal pretty-much ignoring setbacks. What Ramako is suggesting is closer for what would be reasonable here.

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