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Probably stick with tyhe same design unless Alstrom really want to change something up but there most likey would have been an anoncemnt about that. Alos a new design would have to go through more testing just like the first two prototype streetcar did in 2017.
Highly unlikely for the legacy streetcar network as they would have to overhaul a lot of the operations of things and it would also nean less seating
Sound like the same has happen to the Quebec plants as TTC is seeing faster turn around cars that are having welds fix.
That would be absolutely ridiculous in Toronto and they would end up having to get rid of even more stops then they already have.
Agreed - I suspect it will be along the same lines as the second batch of E-Class (Flexity Swift) trams in Melbourne - minor changes and improvements to the original model.
Perhaps on the Eglinton Crosstown, but on the streetcar system? I just dont think it would work.
Agreed - I don't think these two would fit in the streets, fouling intersections and loops!
The loops were designed for a Peter Witt & trailer. Turns out, a loop would fit two PCC streetcars, two CLRV's, or one Flexity Outlook. That's why they have to redesign the loops (AKA enlarge) if they need to fit in two Flexity Outlook streetcars.
I guess similar to Boston's Type 10 "supercar" procurement - they're basically going to order the longest low floor vehicle they can physically fit on their infrastructure.
That is why it time to go to duel ends and remove all loops as well add crossovers along routes. I can hear the bitching on lost seats, but you don't hear it from systems world wide including NA about it. You got buses with doors on both sides in NA with lost seats and no complaints about it.
I don't see that happening with a small order of only 60 cars. Maybe in 20 years when we order the next replacement bit even then I wouldn't hold my breath over it.
Actually, 60 streetcars by itself is large. Washington D.C.'s streetcar fleet is six (that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6).
Not for a system that already has 204 cars built for an existing system. I don't expect them to completely rebuild the whole system for 60 cars.
They'll be rebuilding the Hillcrest Facility to become a car yard for some routes (IE. 512 and maybe 511).
Yes but that doesn't mean that they are going to get double ended streetcars and install double crossovers and get rid of the loops.
