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Ontario Energy & Electricity Production

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So what's exactly happening here?

I see people blaming this on green energy and overpaid Hydro employees, others saying that's more to do with energy overproduction, playing catch-up with infrastructure, etc.

Is it really going to blunt Ontario's economic recovery or is it just industry hyperbole?

Skyrocketing electricity rates may force one in 20 Ontario businesses to close
JANE TABER
TORONTO — The Globe and Mail
Published Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2015 4:00AM EDT
Last updated Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2015 8:45AM EDT

Soaring electricity rates in Ontario are threatening industries and businesses across the province, with one in 20 reporting they expect to shut down in the next five years, according to a major study by the Ontario Chamber of Commerce (OCC).

Businesses can’t grow, make improvements or investments or even hire new workers because of the increasing rates, which are among the highest in the country and expected to continue to rise over the next 20 years, says the report, Empowering Ontario: Constraining Costs & Staying Competitive in the Electricity Sector, released Wednesday.

It paints a grim picture of a convoluted, complicated electricity pricing system, and warns that to keep business in the province or attract new businesses, government and energy authorities must act now.

A Leger poll, accompanying the report, shows that 81 per cent of Ontarians are concerned that rising electricity rates will “impact the health of the Ontario economy.” In addition, the same percentage of Ontarians are concerned that the increases will “impact their disposable income.”

“Call it the canary in the mine,” says Allan O’Dette, president of the Ontario Chamber of Commerce, which represents 60,000 businesses employing more than two million people in the province. “We have just completed this Leger poll and when 81 per cent of Ontarians are concerned that rising electricity prices are going to impact the health of the economy, you’ve got to be paying attention to that.”

The poll of 1,000 Ontarians was conducted between June 22 and 25; it has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Premier Kathleen Wynne and her government have been on the defensive about electricity prices. There was a rate hike in May, which raised consumers’ hydro bills by nearly $6 a month. Ms. Wynne’s government also announced in its spring budget that it is selling 60 per cent of Hydro One to help pay for new transit and infrastructure. This has raised fears that private ownership will cause prices to go even higher.

Jamey Heaton employs 21 people at his North Bay business, Bavarian Link Meat Products Ltd., which he has owned for three years. They produce and sell premium deli meats, sausages, smoked items, specialty bacon and meat snacks.

His electricity costs are more than $110,000 a year – the second-largest cost after salaries. He calls the high electricity prices a “huge burden.”

He says the rates have “slowed our expansion.” “If we spent 50 per cent less, I would invest the $50,000 in new equipment, which would lead to new jobs,” he says. “We have already grown by 25 per cent a year every year over the last three years and could grow more if there were additional funds.”

To keep costs down, he says, they cook mostly with natural gas, but he still has to rely on electricity as the 15,000-square-foot plant is refrigerated.

“We also, as industrial consumers, don’t benefit from time-of-day usage, whereas, if you’re a consumer, you get that time-of-day usage,” he says. “I can switch some of my production to do things at nighttime but there is no advantage for me to do it.”

He wonders why he can’t take advantage of the lower costs.

In fact, the OCC report notes that medium-sized businesses are “bearing the brunt of costs” because, like Mr. Heaton’s business, they can’t take advantage of lower costs during those time periods.

“What we need to do is flatten the rising costs,” says OCC president Mr. O’Dette, who adds that there is “not much we can do at the moment to bend the cost curve on electricity rates.”

The chamber hopes to compel the government to start laying the groundwork for the future in order to keep Ontario competitive.

Increasing transparency about how electricity costs are calculated is the report’s main recommendation. Businesses don’t know how their rates were arrived at because many costs are not disclosed by the authorities. For example, the report says the Independent Electricity System Operator, which runs the system, “does not release average electricity prices nor does it conduct publicly available jurisdictional comparisons similar to that of Hydro-Québec.”

Lack of information reduces confidence in the system among consumers, the report says. It points out that governments cannot be held accountable without knowing the reasons behind increases.

According to the report, energy demand in the province dropped 8 per cent between 2003 and 2014 – but generation capacity has increased by 13 per cent. This means that Ontario has a huge surplus and so it gives away electricity. These costs of producing electricity and then basically exporting it for free are passed on to customers.

“Let’s help all the actors, including consumers, in this discussion and debate understand what it is in the pricing of electricity in this province,” Mr. O’Dette says.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...avoc-with-ontario-businesses/article25348882/
 
Epilogue- four years and one Liberal government later, similar parallels coming out of Germany? I can't but wonder if a promising field has been co-opted by existing consumerist forces eager to take advantage of people's 'eco-guilt', and pushed before it was really ready for mass adoption.

The Reason Renewables Can't Power Modern Civilization Is Because They Were Never Meant To
Over the last decade, journalists have held up Germany’s renewables energy transition, the Energiewende, as an environmental model for the world.
Now comes a major article in the country’s largest newsweekly magazine, Der Spiegel, titled, “A Botched Job in Germany” (“Murks in Germany“). The magazine’s cover shows broken wind turbines and incomplete electrical transmission towers against a dark silhouette of Berlin.

“The Energiewende — the biggest political project since reunification — threatens to fail,” write Der Spiegel’s Frank Dohmen, Alexander Jung, Stefan Schultz, Gerald Traufetter in their a 5,700-word investigative story (the article can be read in English here).
Over the past five years alone, the Energiewende has cost Germany €32 billion ($36 billion) annually, and opposition to renewables is growing in the German countryside.

“The politicians fear citizen resistance” Der Spiegelreports. “There is hardly a wind energy project that is not fought.”
Solar and wind advocates say cheaper solar panels and wind turbines will make the future growth in renewables cheaper than past growth but there are reasons to believe the opposite will be the case.

Der Spiegel cites a recent estimate that it would cost Germany “€3.4 trillion ($3.8 trillion),” or seven times more than it spent from 2000 to 2025, to increase solar and wind three to five-fold by 2050.

Between 2000 and 2019, Germany grew renewables from 7% to 35% of its electricity. And as much of Germany’s renewable electricity comes from biomass, which scientists view as polluting and environmentally degrading, as from solar.
Of the 7,700 new kilometers of transmission lines needed, only 8% have been built, while large-scale electricity storage remains inefficient and expensive.

“A large part of the energy used is lost,” the reporters note of a much-hyped hydrogen gas project, “and the efficiency is below 40%… No viable business model can be developed from this.”

Meanwhile, the 20-year subsidies granted to wind, solar, and biogas since 2000 will start coming to an end next year. “The wind power boom is over,” Der Spiegel concludes.
But then, starting around the year 2000, renewables started to gain a high-tech luster. Governments and private investors poured $2 trillion into solar and wind and related infrastructure, creating the impression that renewables were profitable aside from subsidies.
But no amount of marketing could change the poor physics of resource-intensive and land-intensive renewables. Solar farms take 450 times more land than nuclear plants, and wind farms take 700 times more land than natural gas wells, to produce the same amount of energy.
Opposition to renewables comes from the country peoples that Heidegger idolized as more authentic and “grounded” than urbane cosmopolitan elites who fetishize their solar roofs and Teslas as signs of virtue.

 
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Renewables will make sense once solar+batteries on top of the roof has a decent ROI. In Ontario, electricity is already expensive so it might not be that far off, 2023 maybe? Just like cable, you've disconnected from another Big Brother Company.
 
Ontario went down the wanton subsidy route. This is why I am skeptical of using subsidies to promote changes in behaviour. Way back when McGuinty was introducing the FIT program I opposed it, and preferred that we implemented a carbon tax as BC had done. The most that I could get behind is an auction for new renewable generating capacity, so we're not paying more than needed to get that renewable capacity. As it stands, we see evidence of that policy mistake all over rural southern Ontario with purpose-built barns built just to collect the eyewatering feed in tariff for rooftop solar. Many were built for free in exchange for the right to put panels on them.

Ontario was never going to build the global renewable industry on its own. We needed to ride the experience/cost curve and it took another 10-15 years to reach a point where the costs came down enough to make sense.

I'm kind of okay with naysayers saying that renewables will never work. Reality doesn't care about their feelings and they are going to get bulldozed by the economic imperative to deploy renewables.
 
Renewables will make sense once solar+batteries on top of the roof has a decent ROI. In Ontario, electricity is already expensive so it might not be that far off, 2023 maybe? Just like cable, you've disconnected from another Big Brother Company.

I have a question to no one in particular. I live in a 1825sf 2-bedroom bungalow. Non-urban, so large lot, lots of trees. The sun is below the trees all winter. How many sf of solar panels would I need to leave the hydro and gas grid (sorry, I don't know the total roof area, which is currently covered in 2' of snow)? Not to live like an off-griding monk, but to live like we do now, heat, a/c, showers, lights, etc. Do I get to choose which room I have to sacrifice and turn into a 'battery room' (please don't say in the attic - it's unheated, difficult to access, not engineered for load and no doubt there are safety/regulatory issues putting large capacity energy storage up there). I can provide annual electricity and NG consumption.

These are some of the questions industry, and the government, have to answer before off-gridding becomes commonplace. The same questions might be asked by a resident of an apartment or condo. There's only so much roof. Elevators and water pumping alone draw a lot of power.
 
I have a question to no one in particular. I live in a 1825sf 2-bedroom bungalow. Non-urban, so large lot, lots of trees. The sun is below the trees all winter. How many sf of solar panels would I need to leave the hydro and gas grid (sorry, I don't know the total roof area, which is currently covered in 2' of snow)? Not to live like an off-griding monk, but to live like we do now, heat, a/c, showers, lights, etc. Do I get to choose which room I have to sacrifice and turn into a 'battery room' (please don't say in the attic - it's unheated, difficult to access, not engineered for load and no doubt there are safety/regulatory issues putting large capacity energy storage up there). I can provide annual electricity and NG consumption.

These are some of the questions industry, and the government, have to answer before off-gridding becomes commonplace. The same questions might be asked by a resident of an apartment or condo. There's only so much roof. Elevators and water pumping alone draw a lot of power.
Obviously not an option for every single detached home as you mention. Saying that, you can search and find plenty of people who are off the electricity grid, in some cases for many years already. Some people get off the grid for a week or so just to see.

The logistical questions have already been worked through. You don't need much space for batteries either as you'll see when you do your research. People throw up a few of the powerwalls and they are good. I've seen solar+battery with a load that includes charging an electric vehicle. No changes in lifestyle needed.

Urban apartments/condos are not going off the grid any time soon if ever. Non-urban buildings it could be a possibility but the technology would require plenty more advancement. It's not something I expect to see but wouldn't rule out as possible.
 
Going fully off-grid is not going to be practical for a very large number of customers.
 
Completely agree. I think it will be a percentage of detached single family homes that will go off-grid and it'll be slow. Now, if we are saying in a couple decades out like 2040, I would expect in the area of 15% of Canadian detached homes to be setup for the potential to be off grid. It's not that much.

In Australia, rooftop solar alone has been cheaper than grid electricity since 2013 and they only have 2% rooftop solar today. This will all happen slow.

I don't expect to know anyone who went off grid within the next 7 years at a minimum but would expect past 2030 that the ball will really start rolling. That's so far in the future who knows what might happen before then.
 
I suspect many homes will have some solar and batteries sufficient for 'essential' load, while retaining the grid connection for every day convenience and ability to arbitrage (send solar to the grid if prices peak and operate on battery power). Just wait to charge your electric car or do a load of laundry until the grid comes back.

Personally, I would pretty much always be more comfortable having a gas fireplace in a home for emergency heating.
 
I suspect many homes will have some solar and batteries sufficient for 'essential' load, while retaining the grid connection for every day convenience and ability to arbitrage (send solar to the grid if prices peak and operate on battery power). Just wait to charge your electric car or do a load of laundry until the grid comes back.

Personally, I would pretty much always be more comfortable having a gas fireplace in a home for emergency heating.
Here's hoping that home solar panels and home battery packs become inexpensive within a decade from now.

When I say the above, I do not mean phone power banks with solar panels on them.
 
I suspect many homes will have some solar and batteries sufficient for 'essential' load, while retaining the grid connection for every day convenience and ability to arbitrage (send solar to the grid if prices peak and operate on battery power). Just wait to charge your electric car or do a load of laundry until the grid comes back.

Personally, I would pretty much always be more comfortable having a gas fireplace in a home for emergency heating.
We've had the heat go out and having a couple gas fireplaces was definitely helped out. In Texas, I think their gas got cutoff too.

Right now solar+battery is too expensive and only useful as risk mitigation. For single family homes with the right solar conditions, when it's 2030, it'll make sense to have solar+battery with an optional connection to the grid.

I'd keep the gas connection too. Multiple sources of energy reduces risk.
 

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