How do we know the US is telling the truth? I'd prefer to see a more neutral country do some investigating.
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Former President Donald Trump's United States of America
- Thread starter W. K. Lis
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AlvinofDiaspar
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We don't, but what's the gain of shooting down a passenger jet taking off from Tehran, of all places, filled with pretty much your own brethens? It's the definition of a self-own, and a PR disaster in so many ways (now the world is focused on what Iran did - and not one of their general gotten taken out). Intentionally shooting down passenger jets is unthinkable even for Iran - especially given the relatively measured responses even to their antagonist..
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gabe
Senior Member
It just doesn’t make sense that the IRGC could confuse an commercial airliner with a fighter jet? Iran is refusing to give anyone the black box.
jje1000
Senior Member
Apparent video of the missile hitting the plane.
globalnews.ca
Bellingcat corroborates location of video:
Video purportedly shows Iranian missile hitting Ukraine airliner before crash - National | Globalnews.ca
The video emerged shortly after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canadian intelligence suggested the plane crash was likely caused by an Iranian missile.
globalnews.ca
Bellingcat corroborates location of video:
Tensions are high, someone gets trigger happy? There was a report that the plane tried turning back which couldn’t have happened if it were hit with a missile. We need an independent country to review.
lenaitch
Senior Member
There are many countries, other than the US, with civilian professional and well-equipped aircraft accident investigation bodies including us, Australia and most European nations, perhaps under the auspices of IATA.
Admiral Beez
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This is the unintended consequences of Trump’s escalation with Iran.
salsa
Senior Member
We’re darn lucky there weren’t any Americans on that flight, to provoke another knee-jerk reaction by the president.
TheKingEast
Senior Member
I think it was irresponsible to even allow any flights to depart or land there. This just makes me so upset because it was so avoidable. Trump acting like a clown, the media doing what they do and irresponsible airline for letting that flight take off. Airport should have been locked down.
AlvinofDiaspar
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True, but only in circumstantial way.
Not necessarily, depending on where it hit - the missiles often don't hit the target directly, but gets close enough and explodes - spraying out bits of metal that cuts through the target. That's also what happened with MH17. And if it is a missile hit of this sort, the physical evidence would be obvious (including the possibilty that those metal bits will be buried within corpses) - can't imagine the Iranians will be able to hide these physical evidence without destroying it en masse, which would be obvious as hell.
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Admiral Beez
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It depends what size of missile.
In 2003 a DHL Airbus A300 was hit by an anti-air missile after taking off from Baghdad and managed to turn back to the airport and make a very perilous but ultimately successful landing. But that was a shoulder launched SAM, not the Russian beasts the Iranians reportedly have.
I was basing that on what some talking head said on a news report I saw
AlvinofDiaspar
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Well, it seems the Iranian's did not secure the site and/or have messed around with it - that's highly dubious (but by no means unique)
www.news.com.au
If so, I find that a far bigger matter than an accidential downing of a civilian aircraft.
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Iran bulldozes plane crash crime scene
Iranian authorities have allegedly been caught clearing debris from the crash site of Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752, where 176 people died, including 63 Canadians.
www.news.com.au
If so, I find that a far bigger matter than an accidential downing of a civilian aircraft.
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W. K. Lis
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Well, it seems the Iranian's did not secure the site and/or have messed around with it - that's highly dubious (but by no means unique)
Iran bulldozes plane crash crime scene
Iranian authorities have allegedly been caught clearing debris from the crash site of Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752, where 176 people died, including 63 Canadians.
If so, I find that a far bigger matter than an accidential downing of a civilian aircraft.
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Scavengers Are Taking Evidence From the Iran Plane Crash Site, CBS Reports
From link.