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IMO, if Facebook continues to go down its current path of overloading its users with useless applications, it'll go the way of MySpace. People (like me) despised MySpace because it was so teenybopper-lookatthispicture-omgihaveathousandsluttyphotos. Facebook offered a great alternative back then to that because it was simple, clean, and uncluttered. Today, that isn't the case.. and I've found I've been using it far less than I used to when it was closed to colleges/universities only.

These two videos kinda put it case-in-point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oMo467HTAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvJgzIztOe4

like.. how many times do I have to say I don't want to be a vampire?
 
Don't want the invitation ? Delete the application in question.

I personally despise anyone who installs a Fun Wall ... Ugh!
 
Hmm I haven't joined UT facebook group yet--I wonder what all u kids/grownups look like? Maybe I'll join--facebook is good for snooping into past girlfriends, old high school mates you always hated, co-workers, and tons more. So far, I've only dated one girl I met via facebook--Toronto girls are so uptight and hate strangers--really bizarre from my pov cuz I thought FB was a "social networking" site. For a while I used facebook to share live trading tips with other traders...but then I realized it was distracting me from my job. All these applications and funwalls etc are so childish. But now all the 40+ crowd seems to be joining--astonishing.

So, facebook UT--is the group as active as this website? Or is it just a pick up joint?
 
Interesting comments.
I'm a tech geek and fairly savvy PC guy, but my patience for Facebook is nearing an end. Tons of people from my past have found me on there which is really cool, but some of them have turned into "needy" Facebook types. When I don't respond back to a "nudge" or some damn thing in a timely manner, they get offended. It's cool to connect using the Internet on occasion but I'd rather socialize in the "real world" anyway.
Just me I guess.
 
So, facebook UT--is the group as active as this website? Or is it just a pick up joint?
Actually, it's pretty darn quiet. I don't think anyone has picked-up via it (but, if you have...do tell!) and it's certainly nowhere near as active as this forum.

IMO, if Facebook continues to go down its current path of overloading its users with useless applications, it'll go the way of MySpace. People (like me) despised MySpace because it was so teenybopper-lookatthispicture-omgihaveathousandsluttyphotos. Facebook offered a great alternative back then to that because it was simple, clean, and uncluttered. Today, that isn't the case.. and I've found I've been using it far less than I used to when it was closed to colleges/universities only.
These two videos kinda put it case-in-point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oMo467HTAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvJgzIztOe4
like.. how many times do I have to say I don't want to be a vampire?
Kind of ironic to be hearing The Smiths in the first video!

But yah, I totally agree. I still "like" Facebook, but those applications are quickly destroying it. A few of them are indeed good, but I don't understand why Facebook couldn't have launched them on their own instead of going through all these third parties. Personally, I like seeing where people have travelled and what people's heritage is, etc. I even sometimes enjoy seeing their favourite books, movies, etc. However, I draw the line with the zombies (and all similar applications).
 
Kind of ironic to be hearing The Smiths in the first video!

That's so interesting. I thought exactly the same thing, but didn't post because I was concerned nobody would see the irony. Thanks for disproving that thought!
 
Actually, it's pretty darn quiet. I don't think anyone has picked-up via it (but, if you have...do tell!) and it's certainly nowhere near as active as this forum.


Kind of ironic to be hearing The Smiths in the first video!

But yah, I totally agree. I still "like" Facebook, but those applications are quickly destroying it. A few of them are indeed good, but I don't understand why Facebook couldn't have launched them on their own instead of going through all these third parties. Personally, I like seeing where people have travelled and what people's heritage is, etc. I even sometimes enjoy seeing their favourite books, movies, etc. However, I draw the line with the zombies (and all similar applications).

The Third Party route saves them money and encourages development.
 
Pretty soon we'll have facebook lite--facebook with no third-party apps. I'm pretty sure the user base will demand it. Those entertained by zombies and werewolves can have fun with others who enjoy that sort of thing. It's really just a matter of allowing users to request that no third-party app invites be sent to them and that when viewing others' profiles, they only see facebook features--essentially filter out the crap. Then everyone's happy.
 
Why more and more journalists are signing up for the popular social networking site
AMERICAN JOURNALISM REVIEW


Six months ago, Lori Schwab decided to join the growing number of journalists with Facebook profiles. It wasn't a desperate attempt to fit in with the younger generation. Instead, the 47-year-old executive director of the Online News Association says creating accounts for herself and her association only made sense. "Facebook is now used by journalists for themselves as well as in their profession," she says, and it's become a central fact of online life.

She's not alone. More and more, journalists across the age lines are discovering the relevance of social networking sites to their lives and work. Facebook in particular has pulled in members of the field far beyond the original target college audience, leaving age-restrictive demographic delineations in the dust.

The presence of older journalists on Facebook fits the pattern of age-related trends in other areas, says freelance writer Pat Walters, 23. Younger people are often the first to jump into new turns in technology and then, if the ground proves firm enough, the more cautious, and typically older, set joins in.

In July Walters wrote about Facebook's applicability to journalists for the Poynter Institute based on "interviews" he conducted on Facebook ( poynter.org/column.asp?id=101&aid=127211). Thanks to the viral nature of the site, Walters was able to turn 25 invitations to his group, Journalists and Facebook, into a population of more than 1,000 by the time the story was written (more than 5,900 at last count). From there he just had to pose the question at the center of his piece — what can journalists learn from Facebook? — and the work did itself.

The age generalization is tricky because it can be difficult to separate the actual new users from the apparently savvy; after all, presence and participation are two very different things in the social networking world. For some more established journalists, particularly those who enjoy a certain amount of fame, a count of Facebook friends means nothing at all.

It takes only a few clicks of the mouse to accept a friend invitation. Before you know it, folks like Washington Post Co. Chairman Donald E. Graham have hundreds of friends they've never met in real life (the one offline, if you can imagine).

Across the board, social sites are a way for people to interact as they never could before (or at least, never could with such ease). For journalists that means contacting others for ideas and support on tough assignments or connecting with editors for advice and job opportunities. Many organizations have gone a step further to create groups only for members of their news outlets' networks.

It takes just a few minutes to set up a Facebook account, and from there "friending" other members and joining the site's famous groups is a piece of cake. Anyone with an Internet connection can do it.

The dam broke when Facebook became open to everyone in September 2006, and the spectrum of implications for journalists in particular has been discussed repeatedly: faster contact with younger sources on the positive end versus consideration of such an accountability-free environment on the negative. Without hurdles to jump to be part of the site or many of its groups, policing discussions can be a full-time job.

Even some of the Facebook users in Walters' group have reservations about the site. Washington Post copy editor Phillip Blanchard used the group to express his concern that the increased ease of communication brings an increased potential for fraud. "Facebook is great for 'social networking' but not terribly useful as a journalistic tool," he said in a post on the group's wall. "People aren't always who they seem to be. For example, you can't even be sure who I am... Verification is very important in journalism, which apparently is being forgotten a lot, or never learned."

In an e-mail interview, he added: "Facebook is amusing and fun for millions of people, and journalists are people. I set up a profile purely for amusement. I don't see any role for Facebook in our work lives, because on Facebook, like everywhere on the Internet, you never know who wrote what you see and whether it is true."

Unlike the association's Schwab, Blanchard, 54, says journalists around his age are "probably attracted to the site because it makes us feel younger. A lot of older journalists have joined Facebook this year, probably due to the herd mentality."

Still, Walters and Bill Mitchell, the 59-year-old director of Poynter Online and editor of Walters' piece, see the bright side of the site as a modern communication tool. The Journalists and Facebook experiment opens the door, Walters says, to something bigger than the group he created, stretching beyond the demographic stereotypes of the formerly student-only site. Walters readily admits that he has not bothered with the upkeep a group like his would require to become a long-term forum for discussion, but he says it could be a step in the right direction.

"I don't think something like Facebook is going to change the way people talk about things except to bring more people into the discussion," Walters says. Such a forum could act as the next step when things like comment boxes on news sites don't go far enough in engaging the audience.

"I think that could work," he says. "I think it could be interesting. It would have to be something people care a lot about. People, especially journalists, are very busy. But there already are viable, sustainable groups happening all over the industry" in other online forms such as blogs and listservs.

Mitchell admits that his own Facebook involvement is limited and consists largely of seeing how many people in his neighborhood are members, but says he does some professional networking too. "I think that networking is going to be part of the future of journalism," he says. "I don't know exactly in what way, but I think it's pretty clear that colleagues and audience members are going to be much more involved in acts of journalism than they used to be."

Interesting things are already happening through Facebook thanks to some of the nation's media outlets, Mitchell says, and although he describes himself as a passive user, he's already hooked on the New York Times' daily news quiz on Facebook. By introducing another way for the audience to interact with the news, he says, the Times is "making readership habit-forming."

Journalists of all ages are getting onboard with Facebook because they fear being left behind. For Jonathan Landman, 55, a deputy managing editor of the

New York Times, knowing what is happening online is crucial to his job, and a huge part of that takes place on Facebook. More than using the site much for himself, he says he created a profile to stay current by seeing how site features are used.

After all, Facebook, as many of the posts from the Journalists and Facebook wall say, is where the readers are. As in any form of journalism, if you don't understand where the audience is and what it's doing, you don't understand the audience. With the rising popularity of these sites, Landman says, people are more and more interested in hearing about them, what they do and who's there. Experiencing them and reporting back, he says, is literally what the job is all about.

Kelly Wilson
kwilson4@umd.edu
 
Quitting Facebook Gets Easier
February 13, 2008.
NEW YORK TIMES
By MARIA ASPAN


Aiming to address the privacy concerns of disenchanted users, Facebook.com said on Tuesday that it was trying to make it easier for people to delete their accounts permanently from the social networking site.

Until now, Facebook has offered only a deactivation option, which keeps copies of the account’s personal information on the company’s servers. It is possible to delete an account fully using a cumbersome manual method, but it is difficult; many users complained that Facebook did not provide clear instructions.

On Monday, Facebook modified its help pages to tell people that if they wanted to remove their accounts entirely, they can direct the company by e-mail to have it done. But on Tuesday, representatives of Facebook stopped short of saying the company would introduce a one-step delete account option.

“We’re always working to improve the user experience,†Katie Geminder, director for user experience and design at Facebook, said in a statement sent by e-mail.

“We are measuring the effects of the change we made yesterday, and if we think more needs to be done to improve the user experience for deleting an account, we’ll test different implementations and measure them accordingly,†she added.

The updated Facebook help page now includes the question “How do I delete my account?†The answer: “If you do not think you will use Facebook again and would like your account deleted, we can take care of this for you. Keep in mind that you will not be able to reactivate your account or retrieve any of the content or information you have added.â€

The entry then says, “If you would like your account deleted, please contact us using the form at the bottom of the page and confirm your request in the text box.â€

Ms. Geminder said that Facebook’s policies were a reflection of the fact that many people came back to Facebook after they stopped using the site for a time. “On any given day, the number of users reactivating their accounts is roughly half of the number of users deactivating their accounts,†she said.

As The New York Times reported on Monday, some Facebook users who wished to close their accounts had been unable to do so, even after contacting Facebook’s customer service representatives. Many departing users, who could spend weeks or months trying to erase their accounts without success, turned to unofficial guides like the Facebook users group “How to permanently delete your Facebook account.â€

Since Monday, almost 3,000 people have joined the group, which counted more than 7,000 members on Tuesday evening and had been growing by the hour. “I honestly did NOT know they kept your data after you deactivated your account,†one new member wrote on the group’s board. “I’m not leaving until I finish university,†she added, “but I’ll be glad of the info when I do.â€

Another new member wrote, “Though I plan to stick around Facebook for a while, I joined this group so I know how to delete my account/profile when I do desire to leave. Thank you!â€

Magnus Wallin, the Swedish patent examiner who founded the group, said his reaction to the company’s policy change was mixed. “Information on how to do it is great,†he said in an e-mail message. “But it should be really easily available. Not at the bottom of the help pages. And a ‘form’ sounds like you have to explain yourself. A regular delete button would be preferable, in my opinion.â€

Facebook blamed a technical snag for the predicament of Nipon Das, a business consultant in Manhattan who spent two months trying to delete his account but nevertheless continued to receive messages and notes from friends through Facebook.

“Mr. Das appears to have an active account on Facebook, which is why you are able to view his mostly empty profile and why he still may be receiving messages or friend requests,†Ms. Geminder said. “If Mr. Das wishes to deactivate or delete his account from Facebook, his profile will not be viewable by anyone.â€

Mr. Das — who described his plight by quoting lyrics from the Eagles song “Hotel California†that say, “You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave†— has found himself cast as an unlikely mascot for disgruntled Facebook users. Several of them have found his empty profile andent him messages, “ranging from Eagles song quotes to those of support,†he said.

“I have turned into the test case,†he said.
 
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