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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

^ I would expect the Laird crossover to only be used for emergencies, and not as a part of regular operation.

The on-street sections, per se, do not preclude branched or short-turn operations.
 
3.3.7 Special Trackwork To allow the LRT vehicles to change direction for operational and emergency purposes, special track work is required. The types of special trackwork that are proposed within the corridor include crossovers and storage (pocket) tracks. Crossovers allow trains to transfer from one track to the other in order to change directions. All of the crossovers provide bi-directional capability. Storage (pocket) tracks provide a third track section between the two main line tracks with turn outs at one or both ends. This allows vehicles to be moved off of the mainline track to be stored during lower demand periods or when vehicles are disabled. Based on TTC design standards and consideration of the operational needs of the Eglinton Crosstown line, crossovers are located at least every 4 kilometres, at terminal stations and at the last stations in the tunnel section to facilitate line management and operating flexibility. In addition, storage capacity is to be provided for at least one train at or near all terminal stations.

http://thecrosstown.ca/sites/defaul...3-project-description-sections-3-1-to-3-4.pdf pg 67
 
BurlOak said:
Is this what you hope, or what will happen? My understanding is that there are crossover tracks are just west of Laird.
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Staff has been saying this - that every second train will turn back at Laird at rush hours - since the EA process started. Considering how precipitously the ridership is projected to drop off to the east of Laird, there is no reason to assume otherwise.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
Leo_Chan said:
This is the exact reason why half assing the line at this section will cause confusion. Too late to fix it for a reasonable price though.
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It really does to show that those who supported this ECLRT plan had no plans to build the DRL long. It like the 2 projects are not compatible.
 
BurlOak said:
It really does to show that those who supported this ECLRT plan had no plans to build the DRL long. It like the 2 projects are not compatible.
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I'm not sure I agree with that. It is my understanding that Don Mills (Science Centre) Station was built underground in an at-grade section of line specifically to ease transfers between the DRL and ECLRT.
 
BurlOak said:
It really does to show that those who supported this ECLRT plan had no plans to build the DRL long. It like the 2 projects are not compatible.
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Seriously?

There would have been plenty of time to fix the design between Don Mills and Laird before the line needed to go to tender, if they had not had to waste so much time with that ridiculous all underground LRT connected with the SLRT for $2 Billon more.

And I have clearly told you this several times before, just how long will it be before things finally sink in? The choice WAS NOT between building the Scarborough Subway with the current Eglinton LRT design or the all underground Eglinton LRT. It was between building the Finch, Sheppard, Eglinton and RT extension LRT's or wasting all that money on just the All underground Eglinton LRT connected to the SRT. Cancelling those three lines and putting all that money into a $2 Billion hole in the ground on Eglinton that would have saved maybe four minutes in travel time from Kennedy to Don Mills was not a better value as you obsessively keep claiming.
 
Voltz said:
Seriously?

There would have been plenty of time to fix the design between Don Mills and Laird before the line needed to go to tender, if they had not had to waste so much time with that ridiculous all underground LRT connected with the SLRT for $2 Billon more.
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According to the MOU between Ford and McGuinty, the line could be elevated near the Don Valley - which is a 4 km long stretch. The problem is that they actually spent no time trying to design the connected ECLRT/SRT. They just looked at ways of sabotaging Ford.
For the Leslie stop, it was Metrolinx who said that the portal in its current location was not possible. Again, it was their politicking that led to the wrong things being explored.
Voltz said:
And I have clearly told you this several times before, just how long will it be before things finally sink in? The choice WAS NOT between building the Scarborough Subway with the current Eglinton LRT design or the all underground Eglinton LRT. It was between building the Finch, Sheppard, Eglinton and RT extension LRT's or wasting all that money on just the All underground Eglinton LRT connected to the SRT. Cancelling those three lines and putting all that money into a $2 Billion hole in the ground on Eglinton that would have saved maybe four minutes in travel time from Kennedy to Don Mills was not a better value as you obsessively keep claiming.
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The choice was for Council or the Provincial Liberals to explore ways of improving transit. It's not my fault that the politics turned to "defeat Ford at all costs", instead of "how can we work with the most pro-subway Mayor in Toronto history to build more rapid transit". Ford, and then Tory, actually secured additional money, but it was the planning that went horribly awry and prevented the right things from being done.
 
BurlOak said:
According to the MOU between Ford and McGuinty, the line could be elevated near the Don Valley - which is a 4 km long stretch. The problem is that they actually spent no time trying to design the connected ECLRT/SRT. They just looked at ways of sabotaging Ford.
For the Leslie stop, it was Metrolinx who said that the portal in its current location was not possible. Again, it was their politicking that led to the wrong things being explored.

The choice was for Council or the Provincial Liberals to explore ways of improving transit. It's not my fault that the politics turned to "defeat Ford at all costs", instead of "how can we work with the most pro-subway Mayor in Toronto history to build more rapid transit". Ford, and then Tory, actually secured additional money, but it was the planning that went horribly awry and prevented the right things from being done.
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Go find the MOU and point out where it states the line could have been partly elevated.

Time was spent designing the connected ECLRT and SLRT, I even saw crews out on Eglinton doing boreholes to analyse the soil.

It was stopped because it was a shitty plan, not because Ford pushing for it. He was not pro subways. transit or anything, he was an idiot who only knew how to say the word subways three times in a row. Someone needs to have the intellectual capacity to actually understand and accomplish something to be in favour of it.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
[QUDoes anyone know if it's been discussed how it will operate like will trains run the entire length of it or will some only serve the above ground sections and you will have to transfer at Laird
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IF they had a loopback for service, it would be the other way around, some trains would only serve the underground sections. Ridership is lower on the above ground, it would make no sense to run more trains there.

Also, the TTC is going to have a hell of a time with train spacing/bunching and scheduling on this line. Trains will fly through the underground portion, to only be met with traffic lights, closer station spacing and other obstacles above ground. No amount of traffic signal priority will fix this.

I think it was a BIG mistake to not have a loopback at Laird, and this will be the biggest issue of the line.

What will probably happen is that the TTC will decide to switch to 3 car trains at less headways to stop the bunching problem.
 
robmausser said:
IF they had a loopback for service, it would be the other way around, some trains would only serve the underground sections. Ridership is lower on the above ground, it would make no sense to run more trains there.

Also, the TTC is going to have a hell of a time with train spacing/bunching and scheduling on this line. Trains will fly through the underground portion, to only be met with traffic lights, closer station spacing and other obstacles above ground. No amount of traffic signal priority will fix this.

I think it was a BIG mistake to not have a loopback at Laird, and this will be the biggest issue of the line.

What will probably happen is that the TTC will decide to switch to 3 car trains at less headways to stop the bunching problem.
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What do you mean? There will be underground storage and crossover tracks at Laird.
 
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