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A presentation was made by the project manager for the new subway trains to the commissioners on January 25, 2006.
A team of TTC staff as well representatives from Bombardier Thunder Bay plant visited both Hong Kong and China in the fall of 2005 to review 4 lines that are currently using the proposed new TTC subway trains now.
From the presentation of slides and video, I like the train that was made in Korea.
People are not going to like this, but the new trains will be coming with bench seating only and they will a small curve in them. Centre Poles are being reinstalled with other poles connecting to the bench seats. There is a possibility that the doors will be move one way or another to accommodate the 17.5 inch seating arrangement. The seats will be one piece unite with a non slide material on the seat as well on the backs. This means there will be no individual seating like there is now. I said this was going to happen a few months ago.
There will be 2 areas where bikes/wheelchairs/strollers/bunny buggy can be place in each car and they will be at the gangway area. I have recommended to the project manager that any seating in this area be limited to individual single jump seats that will be in the folded up position at all times unless a rider push the seat down to seat down on. He like the idea as it is a less costly method compare to what is in place on Orion VII.
There will be only one long window not the current 2 between the doors to get the maximum of lighting in the cars. It will take up the full height of the car where it can.
All cars will come with a LED system showing all the stations on the line. It will tell the rider which direction the train is going by flashing the lights of the stations in front of the current station. All stations that have been passed will be a solid color. The next station will have a larger flashing yellow compare to the remaining stations on the line. It will also tell you what side of the train that the doors will open on at the next stop. If the train services a station that is service by another line, the LED Screen will display all the stations on that line also and show the direction of them.
There are to be LCD screens at the doors tell riders about safety issues. (this is not needed)
Each car will be outfitted with a 2 way communication system with the cab car to tell the crew what the problem is taking place on that car. This will allow better response to the problem on the car by getting medical team or enforcement team rolling before the train reaches the next station.
If a train has to be evacuated in the tunnel, it will take 25 seconds for the front end cab unite to open up and deploy a fold up ramp to off load the riders through the cab unite. It is stated that it will take 24 minutes to off load a full loaded train from one end only. (I have some concern here.) It will take about the same time to fold the ramp up and close the cab unite end and to get the train underway. This was shown on a video.
First train for testing will be delivery in the fall of 2008 with the official run in the fall of 2009.
There will be no mockup car for the current T1’ showing the new seat arrangement because of safety reasons. I see no safety reason for not doing it.
There will be a ¼ full mockup car coming late spring or early summer to be put on display at various locations for riders input. No reason to do this since everyone knows where the final design is going.
There will be a public contest to name the new trains.
At present time, TTC employees are getting update either by newsletter or website on the new trains and they are requested to provide information how the train can be improved on.
RFP is to take place in April with contract being awarded in October 2006.
I still feel TTC will not be getting the best price with the contract is going to Bombardier based on the current arrangement.
Wilson yard maintains buildings will have to be modified to accommodate the new train’s first follow by Greenwood. Greenwood will take some doing, due to the layout and the size of the land.
All cars will have scrolling screen tell what the next station will be as well the talking system.
Things are changing from month to month for this new train and it will be on the cutting edge when it gets built. It is supposed to open up a new market for North America.
Dave
A team of TTC staff as well representatives from Bombardier Thunder Bay plant visited both Hong Kong and China in the fall of 2005 to review 4 lines that are currently using the proposed new TTC subway trains now.
From the presentation of slides and video, I like the train that was made in Korea.
People are not going to like this, but the new trains will be coming with bench seating only and they will a small curve in them. Centre Poles are being reinstalled with other poles connecting to the bench seats. There is a possibility that the doors will be move one way or another to accommodate the 17.5 inch seating arrangement. The seats will be one piece unite with a non slide material on the seat as well on the backs. This means there will be no individual seating like there is now. I said this was going to happen a few months ago.
There will be 2 areas where bikes/wheelchairs/strollers/bunny buggy can be place in each car and they will be at the gangway area. I have recommended to the project manager that any seating in this area be limited to individual single jump seats that will be in the folded up position at all times unless a rider push the seat down to seat down on. He like the idea as it is a less costly method compare to what is in place on Orion VII.
There will be only one long window not the current 2 between the doors to get the maximum of lighting in the cars. It will take up the full height of the car where it can.
All cars will come with a LED system showing all the stations on the line. It will tell the rider which direction the train is going by flashing the lights of the stations in front of the current station. All stations that have been passed will be a solid color. The next station will have a larger flashing yellow compare to the remaining stations on the line. It will also tell you what side of the train that the doors will open on at the next stop. If the train services a station that is service by another line, the LED Screen will display all the stations on that line also and show the direction of them.
There are to be LCD screens at the doors tell riders about safety issues. (this is not needed)
Each car will be outfitted with a 2 way communication system with the cab car to tell the crew what the problem is taking place on that car. This will allow better response to the problem on the car by getting medical team or enforcement team rolling before the train reaches the next station.
If a train has to be evacuated in the tunnel, it will take 25 seconds for the front end cab unite to open up and deploy a fold up ramp to off load the riders through the cab unite. It is stated that it will take 24 minutes to off load a full loaded train from one end only. (I have some concern here.) It will take about the same time to fold the ramp up and close the cab unite end and to get the train underway. This was shown on a video.
First train for testing will be delivery in the fall of 2008 with the official run in the fall of 2009.
There will be no mockup car for the current T1’ showing the new seat arrangement because of safety reasons. I see no safety reason for not doing it.
There will be a ¼ full mockup car coming late spring or early summer to be put on display at various locations for riders input. No reason to do this since everyone knows where the final design is going.
There will be a public contest to name the new trains.
At present time, TTC employees are getting update either by newsletter or website on the new trains and they are requested to provide information how the train can be improved on.
RFP is to take place in April with contract being awarded in October 2006.
I still feel TTC will not be getting the best price with the contract is going to Bombardier based on the current arrangement.
Wilson yard maintains buildings will have to be modified to accommodate the new train’s first follow by Greenwood. Greenwood will take some doing, due to the layout and the size of the land.
All cars will have scrolling screen tell what the next station will be as well the talking system.
Things are changing from month to month for this new train and it will be on the cutting edge when it gets built. It is supposed to open up a new market for North America.
Dave
