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Discussion in 'Transportation and Infrastructure' started by drum118, Dec 6, 2013.

  1. steveintoronto

    steveintoronto Senior Member

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    And yet again on the escalator 'stand right, walk left' or not debate:

    Here's further to debunk the claim for the TTC escalators:
    http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/03/th...ter-to-stand-on-the-escalator-well-sometimes/

    Article is long and detailed with charts and references.

    More here:
    http://londonist.com/london/transpo...tanding-escalator-trial-are-in?rel=handpicked
     

  2. EastYorkTTCFan

    EastYorkTTCFan Senior Member

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    What is with the obsession about how poe use Escalators in Toronto. Yes we used to have signs saying walk left and stand right but they have all pretty much disappeared due to many factors. I've seen many new escalators put in and none of them have signs saying how to use them and it's not just on the TTC either all of our malls don't have them anymore either.However most ple do still when possible stand on the right and walk on the left, unless someone is being selfish and standing talking to their friend or family or just standing with a younger child.
     
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    I think events like TIFF are great for the people that attend them or crowd the streets in hopes of getting a glimpse of a celebrity but for the day to day commuter it's just a going show. A counselor that isn't on the TTC board addressed them today about the loser for TIff and about how much it affects the rest of Toronto. He poponted out that because of King being closed Streetcars and traffic are diverted to other streets and the only other streets that go across Toronto in the downtown are Queen and Dundas. Queen gets the king and chery cars being diverted tus delaying all three routes (although last year they only diverted the cherry street car vis queen and split the king car into 2 separate sections). The Dundas car then gets delayed because of all of the extra car traffic on it and then creates problems at either end due to streetcars arriving at unscheduled times. That being said I think the city and and the TIFF officials, Transportation and the TTC all need to sit down as soon as it's over this year and come up with a better solution then it is now.
     
  4. steveintoronto

    steveintoronto Senior Member

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    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/03/29/the-ttc-wants-you-to-take-a-stand-on-its-escalators.html

    Common sense rules...
     
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    There are a lot of things that happen in the city which require shuttle buses - infrastructure replacement of one sort or another - but even if you don't accept the massive disruption caused to individual commuters by TIFF closure, the increase in operating costs, operator hours and bus usage a closure like 2017 TIFF's will cause is utterly unacceptable when the TTC is underpressure for availability of money, personnel and equipment. Add to that the additional insult to citizens of this happening during multiple peak hours for transportation need and the knock on effects on the streets onto which these traffic flows are being pushed.

    The benefits of TIFF, like other festivals, accrue most directly to the feds and the province through sales and income taxes, with only dribbles and trickles coming to the City along with masses of costs. Imposing a partial King closure on TIFF permitting transit passage would not mean TIFF doesn't go ahead, it just means it can't overwhelm one of Toronto's principal streets with vendors.

    Meanwhile, the City, with a straight face, tells us that the King Street pilot is a sign of their commitment to transit riders. Don't urinate on us and tell us it's raining, Mr. Mayor.

    One of the things I've posited in the past is for the City to merge the TTC with the Parking Authority/public bikes (as well as assuming the ferries from Parks and Wreck) to create a holistic approach to getting around, bringing Green P's cashflow to the Commission and forcing those that run the combined entity to confront what parking costs vs what transit costs. But that approach leaves the Transportation Department outside of it, and we have seen with the TIFF closure that their say is the final say. That department is often seen as boring and we rarely know or scrutinise those in charge of it. That should change.
     
  9. steveintoronto

    steveintoronto Senior Member

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    Not to mention that no-one begrudges TIFF having a street party. Just not on the City's busiest surface transit vehicle street! Put it on the side-streets. TIFF is producing a PR nightmare for themselves. Now showing: "Marie Antoinette starring in 'Let Them Eat Cake', and how the starving masses were forced to grovel around the media moguls".
     
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  10. drum118

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    If King is closes, transit riders are in for one shit of a time trying to go east-west.

    The only way a 504/514 can get around this, is to go north/south on Spadina, east-west to Dundas St, south/north on Church St that will take over 30 minutes to do the detour and doesn't get riders to/from where they are going in the first place.

    The other option is splitting line at Spadina and Victoria with buses going west on Richmond and eastbound on Adelaide St, assuming if TTC has any buses to do it.

    Time to tell TIFF, no more closures for your event and next year you need to come up with a new plan to deal with the new King St plan.
     
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    Queen street has streetcar tracks - they can be accessed by York NB and Church SB.

    Anyways, nobody cares when the 506 streetcar is rerouted on a weekday for Taste of Little Italy or the 501 is rerouted so the Eaton Centre can build a fancy new bridge. TIFF isn't any less important than those. If you want a boring, lifeless, utilitarian city then you can move to Ottawa or Hamilton, but I feel like given the choice, most people in Toronto don't have much of a problem with walking to Spadina on a September day.
     
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    I guess you think riders should walk all the way from Spadina to Jarvis or beyond in the rain so King can be close??. What about riders who can't walk that far??

    That last year when there was no work taking place on Queen like this year. If things are delay on Queen this year, it will mean a longer time frame for buses been used this year.

    It also shows how badly the Adelaide needs to be rebuilt from Spadina to Church to allow cars to detour going east, but no real option for going west.
     
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  14. steveintoronto

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    TIFF closure is two days of the work week.

    Published Thursday, September 8, 2016
    [A stretch of King Street will be shut down in the downtown core starting today as the Toronto International Film Festival hits town.

    King Street will be closed to cars and transit vehicles between Spadina and University avenues from this morning through Sept. 12.

    The closure will make room for “Festival Street,” a free pedestrian festival that takes place as part of TIFF. The event will feature concerts, screenings and vendors.

    During the closure, there will be no streetcar service along King Street between York and Charlotte streets. The 504 King, 514 Cherry and 304 King night service routes will be affected.]
    http://www.cp24.com/news/king-street-road-closure-in-effect-for-tiff-1.3063469

    Meantime:
    [One of Toronto’s signature street festivals takes place all weekend. Starting 6 p.m. Friday, College Street is fully closed from Bathurst Street to Shaw Street. College is scheduled to reopen by 3 a.m. Monday.

    Also during the same period, TTC 506 Carlton streetcars will detour in both directions from College, between Ossington Avenue and Bathurst Street. And on 5 a.m. Sunday, shuttle buses in place for construction on College will begin a long-term diversion from the street, between Ossington and Spadina Avenue.]
    https://www.insidetoronto.com/news-...stival-mmvas-plus-all-major-road-and-transit/

    That's a weekend.

    [Queen St. will be closed to vehicles between Yonge and Bay Sts. until Monday morning as construction workers make room for a new pedestrian bridge connecting the Toronto Eaton Centre to the Hudson’s Bay Company building.]
    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...and-hudsons-bay-closes-parts-of-downtown.html

    Also a weekend. And I guess some people's idea of a "festival"...
     
  15. dowlingm

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    First - I wouldn't support festival closures on a weekday in Little Italy or elsewhere. So let's start there. However, that particular closure starts at 6pm on Friday - I'd rather it was later but people do get a chance to get out of Dodge. TIFF will bork four weekday rush hours on a busier transit street than College is.

    I don't know whether the bridge is being replaced because of aesthetics or because it's life expired but given the effort being gone to I'm going to guess the latter. That makes it an infrastructure project and therefore not in the same bucket as TIFF.

    As I said above, nobody wants TIFF not to happen, but their demands are disproportionate, borking King from Charlotte to University. TTC staff wanted to close from 10am Thursday to 5am Monday, to save the Thursday AM rush hour - refused. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/05/18/ttc-urges-city-to-stop-tiff-closure-of-king-st.html
     
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