AlvinofDiaspar
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None too soon, with a "track level injury" at King.
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The TTC's official policy, via Brad Ross on twitter, is that if you're on a TTC vehicle--even a bus on an not-Presto-listed route--if the reader is there and shows 'not in service', you ride for free.
However, as with most TTC policies, they A) haven't told the drivers, or B) the drivers don't care, because drivers generally refuse to allow you to board unless you pay your fare another way.
Anyone's guess what fare inspectors will do, though naturally that's only an issue on streetcars not buses, and I've found streetcars usually have this problem much less than buses, and when they have the issue just one of their readers is down leaving 1-5 more typically working, vs. the buses I've been on where if one device is offline, the other ones always have been as well.
I notice that the 29 Dufferin bus now mention "Proof of payment" on the destination signs. Apparently, the TTC realized that this bus route has the most incidences of fare evasion (especially at Dufferin station).
Has the TTC hired extra staff to monitor the POP/Presto on the streetcars/buses? It could potential be a positive to the bottom line (fines will be greater than salaries paid). Will never happen
Yes, there are. This from the last TTC Board meeting explains.
"In mid-2014, seven TFIs were deployed with the introduction of the first new streetcar on the 510 Spadina route, completing 60K inspections per month, a 2% inspection rate, with an evasion rate of 3.9%
In 2015, a number of other streetcar routes became ADB and POP. In each case, an initial month-long customer education period took place followed by fare enforcement. TFIs conducted approximately 80K inspections per month and averaged 100 written warnings and 200 tickets. Since January 2016, when all streetcar routes became ADB and POP, 51 TFIs conducted approximately 220K monthly inspections. Customer education remained a strong focus, though the monthly average number of written warnings (322) and tickets (465) increased. Since April 2016, the TFI’s main focus became fare enforcement which has seen the monthly average number of tickets issued increase significantly to 1,079.
Today, the evasion rate has decreased to a monthly average of 2.7% and the inspection rate has increased to 2.8%. In 2015, a number of other streetcar routes became ADB and POP. In each case, an initial month-long customer education period took place followed by fare enforcement. TFIs conducted approximately 80K inspections per month and averaged 100 written warnings and 200 tickets. Since January 2016, when all streetcar routes became ADB and POP, 51 TFIs conducted approximately 220K monthly inspections. Customer education remained a strong focus, though the monthly average number of written warnings (322) and tickets (465) increased. Since April 2016, the TFI’s main focus became fare enforcement which has seen the monthly average number of tickets issued increase significantly to 1,079. In mid-2014, seven TFIs were deployed with the introduction of the first new streetcar on the 510 Spadina route, completing 60K inspections per month, a 2% inspection rate, with an evasion rate of 3.9%.
By mid-2016, the remaining budgeted 18 TFIs will be hired, bringing the total to 69, the minimum number required to achieve the industry standard fare inspection rate of 4-5%. These additional resources will further discourage fare evasion throughout the entire streetcar network. The number of TFIs required to keep the fare inspection rate and evasion rate within industry standards will continue to be closely monitored. Today, the evasion rate has decreased to a monthly average of 2.7% and the inspection rate has increased to 2.8%. In 2015, a number of other streetcar routes became ADB and POP. In each case, an initial month-long customer education period took place followed by fare enforcement. TFIs conducted approximately 80K inspections per month and averaged 100 written warnings and 200 tickets. Since January 2016, when all streetcar routes became ADB and POP, 51 TFIs conducted approximately 220K monthly inspections. Customer education remained a strong focus, though the monthly average number of written warnings (322) and tickets (465) increased. Since April 2016, the TFI’s main focus became fare enforcement which has seen the monthly average number of tickets issued increase significantly to 1,079. In mid-2014, seven TFIs were deployed with the introduction of the first new streetcar on the 510 Spadina route, completing 60K inspections per month, a 2% inspection rate, with an evasion rate of 3.9%. "
TTC is far from perfect but you 'somewhat' loose credibility if you complain about things you clearly do not understand.
That is true BUT it needs to be qualified "The TTC would want to collect no fines based on checking x% of passengers." (The most cost-effective way to collect no fines is to do no checking :-> )Ideally, the TTC would want to collect zero in fines.
Ben Spurr@BenSpurr
2 mins ago
Tory is raising the prospect of calling in a task force to cut the TTC's budget if management will not find more savings.
How did John Tory become the transit mayor again?What a terribly boneheaded move by Tory. He's looking to do more damage to the TTC than any mayor this century.