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Can't wait to see how this affects traffic, on top of the Six Points realignment.

The biggest issues I can see are
- the inadequate size of the pedestrian tunnel - it's like Yonge Station all over again, the flows at rush hour will be something
- the absence of a route for handicapped access. The existing tunnel has several changes of level already. The new footbridge does not appear to have an elevator.

- Paul
 
It's too bad they still want to use the Aukland Rd. hydro corridor as a parking lot.

Also.... what are the plans for GO bus service to this station? Are they just adding a stop for the Milton line buses?
 
Not sure about that.... but it would also make a great trail corridor, all the way up to Eglinton. Would be a great way to get to the station.

There is a trail on the north end, but it comes to an end at Burnhamthorpe. The back streets from Burnhamthorpe down to Dundas are quiet enough to be good bike routes, but crossing Bloor and Dundas is daunting. A trail in the Hydro ROW would let bikers use the traffic lights at Aukland, which would be safer....although those intersections need some work to be bike-safe. I agree this all ought to happen.

My rationale for the busway on Aukland, which really ought to go up to Rathburn or beyond, is that asking Miway to jog down the 427 to Dundas is not a good routing. It's a good thing that Mississaugans are such nice people....if this were Richmond Hill or Scarboro, there would be hostile accusations of privilege and NIMBYism. Dundas has too many lights and I'm really apprehensive that the new Six Points junction will aggravate this.

The Terminal proposal appears to add one signalized intersection on Dundas between Aukland and Subway Court. That's gonna become a creep and go zone. I wonder if the traffic simulations for the new Six Points configuration have been run with this intersection in place. I wonder if the placement of the new terminal, and whatever assumptions have been made about how signalling would facilitate its use, are aligned with whatever data the Six Points junction were based on. My inexpert gut says the whole thing is a traffic disaster waiting to happen.

- Paul
 
Hope they fix the Kipling Station flooding problem at the same time.
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Aukland should be extended north to Burnhamthorpe as a busway.

- Paul
Try telling that to Hydro One and they will tell you where you don't want to go.

I saw this in 2004 as an ROW up to Dixon and would help MT 100, 109, 35, 26, 20, 11 and TTC 192 100%. Would have flyover a cross street.

Not only fixing the flooding, getting to the elevator for TTC.
 
Why are they planning to waste millions on building a new bus terminal here when the obvious answer to seemingly everyone else would be to extend the subway to Cloverdale/427?

Because crumbling concrete (ie Islington Station) won't wait for Toronto to finish its transit debates before collapsing.

The extension to Cloverdale can't be sooner than about priority #4, with Line 2 STC, DRL (Long), and Yonge North being the first three subway priorities.

Islington will be rubble by then. A few millions now, as opposed to hundreds of millions to extend the subway, is all we have right now.

- Paul
 
If a $500 million grant was given to Toronto, with the person who gave the money explicitly saying that the money should be used extend the subway to Cloverdale, Toronto would still find a way to debate how that $500 million should be spent.

But in any case the money isnt really going to waste because the way Toronto plans transit, the terminal will be in use for at least 50-60 years.
 
If Islington is that bad, then it becomes the number 1 priority. Just like SRT replacement was the #1 priority because it would implode by 2015.

And this extension is only 2km, at grade, so the cost is a few hundred million - not Billions.
 
If Islington is that bad, then it becomes the number 1 priority. Just like SRT replacement was the #1 priority because it would implode by 2015.

And this extension is only 2km, at grade, so the cost is a few hundred million - not Billions.

No one will make a subway extension a priority just because of a bus terminal reaching end of life - the cost of replacing the latter is an order of magnitude smaller.

AoD
 
If Islington is that bad, then it becomes the number 1 priority. Just like SRT replacement was the #1 priority because it would implode by 2015.

And this extension is only 2km, at grade, so the cost is a few hundred million - not Billions.
You are dreaming this will be at grade as it will never happen. CP ROW is off limit to TTC, have to tunnel under the condo to the west as well the new GO Transit tunnel from the hub to the station and etc. Going to be a bitch when time comes to extend the line now.

The ward councilor has push for this extension since 2005 while been vice chair of TTC and why he an MPP now. Ford whose backyard would have this subway, refused to push it when he ran for Mayor since he knew he had the west end in his pocket and why he push for a line in Scarborough to get their votes.

The Gateway Hub is Cloverdale under the BIG Move and would save TTC millions by having their buses go there yearly, than Kipling. Also, TTC Kipling Bus terminal is out dated as well.

There is no room at the new regional hub to expand it in the future that MT is going to force riders to transfer at the new Renforth Terminal to get around this issue. MT plans on terminating route 20 in the next year or so to remove a route from the Kipling hub and it going to back fire on MT that it will be reinstated.

We all have to thank Hydro One for the current mess as well 2 years of delays.
 
From the June Government Management Committee:

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2016/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-93805.pdf

Reads like a Greek tragedy.

AoD
So the same TTC that declared the parking at Islington "surplus" and ultimately allows another condo development to take its place, all of a sudden goes to Metrolinx and requests that they require more parking at Kipling forcing a redesign of the bus terminal that is even further away from Kipling station?

This goes to show that the TTC is utterly clueless as to what they should do with their parking spaces. One minute they're declaring various lots "surplus" and selling them off (ie: Wilson, Warden, York Mills, Islington), and the next minute they want more parking space.
 

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