Steve X
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That's why the streetcars are painted red and white with a touch of black!
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Admiral Beez
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M II A II R II K
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TransitBart
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Alternate universe?
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... or maybe Bombardier bought the wrong colour of paint!
M II A II R II K
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And in that universe they have 132 new streetcars running.
nfitz
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Is it? 100% of Mexican sales. For the Ottawa one the consortium that included Bombardier lost on price. They got Edmonton - so others are still willing to include them on bids.
What they are not winning is in the USA - which could have more to do with Buy America than anything else - given that we've been inundated with reports from various US systems being delayed because of late delivery of vehicles.
It will be interesting to see how many of the Hurontario/Hamilton/Finch West bids include Bombardier.
Johnny Au
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Do I need to see an optometrist, or is it that my screen's calibration is off, or I consumed too many hallucinogens, but a blue TTC Flexity?
Soon enough, the sky is green, Donald Trump has green skin, Eglinton West station has Flexities on the murals, and Kirby GO station would be completely pink.
Soon enough, the sky is green, Donald Trump has green skin, Eglinton West station has Flexities on the murals, and Kirby GO station would be completely pink.
Admiral Beez
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Maybe they sold ours to another city since we're such whiney skinflints but lacking in backbone combined with high switching cost.
Admiral Beez
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Maybe that's due to the locality of the plant?
Buy American? Looking at the buyers indicated on that map; Siemens is German, Kinki Sharyo is Japanese and Alstom in French. Sure, these foreign firms may source some parts or assembly in the USA, Bombardier would/could do the same, but let's not suggest that buying LRTs from Siemens is buying American. Buying American is this firm, defunct two years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Streetcar
nfitz
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Ah ... perhaps you are on to the real issue.
I'm curious what these Mexican sales are - we here a lot of talk of Canadian, European, and US sales - and even antipodean ones. But I don't recall ever hearing about the Mexican ones.
Buy American is about where the workers are, not who owns the company.
Or perhaps it's due to the locality of the plant.
Admiral Beez
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Both of which Bombardier could work with, following the examples of Siemens and Alstrom, by opening up temporary assembly plants in the USA.
But we should first test your premise. Are these orders due to buy American as you suggest? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_S70#United_States Do you have any evidence to support this?
Looking here, http://w3.usa.siemens.com/mobility/us/en/pages/factory-locations.aspx and clicking on their USA plants, they do seem heads and shoulders above BBR in public perception.
The Siemens Sacramento, Calif., rail manufacturing plant is a leader in providing rolling stock and related services. Its portfolio covers the full range of vehicles – including commuter and regional passenger trains, light rail vehicles and streetcars, metros, locomotives and passenger coaches, all built right here in the U.S. at a manufacturing plant powered almost entirely by a 2-MW solar installation.
The Sacramento plant builds rolling stock from start to finish: design, engineering, car shells, bogies, subassembly, final assembly and testing, all while leveraging sustainable manufacturing practices. In addition to getting more than 80 percent of its electricity from solar power, the plant employs new technologies and practices that have reduced volatile organic compound waste by more than 50 percent while increasing production by more than 200 percent in less than three years.
Currently, more than 800 people are employed at 580,000 square-foot factory, on 60 acres of land. A recently completed expansion for passenger coach manufacturing will also support a future high-speed rail center of excellence to manufacture train sets for the U.S.
No outsourcing to cheap Mexican labour here.
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nfitz
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Given that Buy America has been in place for over 8 years, and that it's a requirement for federal funding, and that there is federal funding for many of these projects, I'm not sure why you need links to show the obvious.
Siemens, certainly hypes Buy America on it's website - http://www.siemens.com/press/en/pre...icrl201409012.htm&content[]=ICRL&content[]=MO
Siemens, certainly hypes Buy America on it's website - http://www.siemens.com/press/en/pre...icrl201409012.htm&content[]=ICRL&content[]=MO
Admiral Beez
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Your premise, your evidence.
If BBR needs to invest in the USA to get or compete on the LRT jobs, that's what they'll do. BBR does have the beginnings of a presence in the USA now, http://www.bombardier.com/en/worldwide-presence/country.united-states.html
nfitz
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I'm not sure what you are looking for here. Do you see anything in 49 CFR Part 661.7 that would give Bombardier a waiver for a finished product? Parts, maybe.