TOareaFan
Superstar
Do the number show that.....have the TTC seen costs of 50%. Are we sure there would have been. Zero delays with Siemens even at the BBD +50% price?
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ksun
Senior Member
What kind of penalties will the TTC receive for such delay?
The whole thing only shows that Bombardier is not reliable, probably not capable of staying in business without government subsidies/cronyism. Did it really win the bidding purely on its own merit?
The whole thing only shows that Bombardier is not reliable, probably not capable of staying in business without government subsidies/cronyism. Did it really win the bidding purely on its own merit?
APTA-2048
Senior Member
With recent discussion, I though I'd post a shot of a Siemens LRV running on an LRT system with grass ROW. Just to make a certain segment of UT jealous.
Metro Sul do Tejo C024 by Adrian Badaraco, on Flickr
Rode their system when I was in Portugal back in 2007.
Metro Sul do Tejo C024 by Adrian Badaraco, on Flickr
Rode their system when I was in Portugal back in 2007.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
You would have no guarantee that Siemens would be able to keep to the schedule either. It's bit of a hindsight 20/20 issue.
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TheTigerMaster
Superstar
With recent discussion, I though I'd post a shot of a Siemens LRV running on an LRT system with grass ROW. Just to make a certain segment of UT jealous.
Metro Sul do Tejo C024 by Adrian Badaraco, on Flickr
Rode their system when I was in Portugal back in 2007.
I'm not jealous. Our cars are prettier and RED.
ksun
Senior Member
what about Montpellier's (they have 4 lines, population 270k, less than half of Scarborough)
or Reims, France (population 180k)
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
I am more jealous about their historical buildings. Their economic prospect, not so much.
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salsa
Senior Member
However the Metrolinx cars will be GREEN.
JayBeeGooner
Active Member
With recent discussion, I though I'd post a shot of a Siemens LRV running on an LRT system with grass ROW. Just to make a certain segment of UT jealous.
Metro Sul do Tejo C024 by Adrian Badaraco, on Flickr
Rode their system when I was in Portugal back in 2007.
Grass ROW is a nightmare to maintain in the fall and winter. I do like Siemens products, but Bombardier's flexity platform is pretty solid. I love Brussel's Flexities.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
cplchanb
Senior Member
They can use artificial turf like the patch at richmond hill centre...better yet they can acquire some from the soccer pitches from the Women's world cup this summer
Virtually no maintenance required relative to real grass and it looks great all year long
TOareaFan
Superstar
Aside from the fact that those turf pitches are used in the stadiums they are in anyway....studies have shown that fake turf causes streetcars greater injuries than real grassThey can use artificial turf like the patch at richmond hill centre...better yet they can acquire some from the soccer pitches from the Women's world cup this summer
Virtually no maintenance required relative to real grass and it looks great all year long
Admiral Beez
Superstar
"Nightmare"? That's a little extreme, surely? Nightmare is a death of a loved one or municipally speaking a subway crash with multiple fatalities. Repairing salt burned grass each spring is not a nightmare.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Looks like Bombardier can't deliver on its aircraft either. Not exactly a Canadian success story.
Now some of Bombardier's former products/brands are doing well under new ownership, such as the BRP trikes and ATVs (owned by the Bombardier family); and Viking Air's acquisition and new production of the popular DHC-2T Turbo Beaver and DHC-6 Twin Otter.
Maybe Toronto and some other cities should have bought into United Street Car and then had a North American supplier of such vehicles outside of Bombardier. Just dreaming at the moment, I haven't checked into this in detail, now back to work.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Streetcar
Now some of Bombardier's former products/brands are doing well under new ownership, such as the BRP trikes and ATVs (owned by the Bombardier family); and Viking Air's acquisition and new production of the popular DHC-2T Turbo Beaver and DHC-6 Twin Otter.
Maybe Toronto and some other cities should have bought into United Street Car and then had a North American supplier of such vehicles outside of Bombardier. Just dreaming at the moment, I haven't checked into this in detail, now back to work.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Streetcar
TOareaFan
Superstar
That is an interesting perspective. They are +/-2 years late getting the CS into service....that is true. compare that to the delays at Boeing getting the dreamliner into service and they still look pretty good and, unlike Boeing they are actually moving into an area brand new to them. If, however, you are going to critique their airline business then you have to include the category creating RJs which are in service around the world and continue to be bought and, of course, their industry leading STOL turboprops (now called the Q400 but grew out of the Dash line).