Observer Walt
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"P3" refers to the method of financing construction. It has nothing to do with the staffing or the operation of the hospital. The hospital seems to be having growing pains.
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Brampton hospital gets fixer
Minister to name supervisor to take 'good hard look' at troubled facility
Dec 11, 2007 04:30 AM
Prithi Yelaja
Rob Ferguson
Staff Reporters
Thestar.com
Following a rising tide of complaints and Sunday's large protest, the province is appointing a supervisor to oversee Brampton Civic Hospital in a bid to restore public confidence in the new facility.
Troubles at the hospital, including community criticism over two untimely deaths, are "not acceptable," Health Minister George Smitherman told reporters at Queen's Park yesterday.
"Confidence is the word, and it's a test we have to meet. Obviously there have been some concerns that have been going on in that community for a while and we felt it was necessary to take this step because we want to have good forward momentum for that hospital," Smitherman said.
"We want to make sure that people are feeling like they're getting good value ... Obviously the circumstances at present are not acceptable."
He said there are some areas of the hospital's administration "that require a good, hard look" and that the supervisor, to be appointed within two weeks, will have "fairly broad powers to take decisions as required."
In the past, the province has taken the rare step of appointing a supervisor only for hospitals saddled with long-standing problems. Brampton Civic opened on Oct. 28.
The move comes on the heels of a Sunday rally that attracted 1,500 people, most from Brampton's large South Asian community, who marched downtown to protest what they see as a shortage of staff and beds, long wait times and stingy operational funding at the $790 million state-of-the-art hospital.
Rally organizers were elated to hear the announcement.
"Our pressuring the government worked, so that's wonderful news. It's the right thing to do because there's something fishy going on at that hospital," said Rajinder Saini, an organizer of Bramptonians for Better Healthcare and editor of the Parvasi Weekly newspaper.
Relatives of two deceased men – Harnek Sidhu, 52 and Amarjit Narwal, 42 – allege that long wait times and poor staffing contributed to the complications they suffered, and ultimately their deaths, at the hospital last month.
Appointing a supervisor is "awesome," said Sundeep Sidhu, whose father had pancreatitis. "It won't bring back my dad, but at least his death wasn't in vain."
Added Inderjit Nijjar, cousin of Narwal, who died of a stroke: "If having a supervisor saves even one life, it's great news. Maybe now we can get some answers."
Hospital officials were notified late yesterday of Smitherman's decision but would not comment publicly until they had a chance to meet today, said hospital spokesperson Gillian Williams McLean.
"Unfortunately, it was announced in the Legislature before we were notified. You'd expect a certain courtesy. It's a bit surprising this would happen."
NDP Leader Howard Hampton said it's time Smitherman took action, after last week saying the concerns were up to the hospital and its board to solve in consultation with the community.
"All of the McGuinty government's efforts at damage control and attempt to pooh-pooh this last week didn't work. There's real and legitimate concern in the community about the quality of health care that people are receiving," he said in an interview.
Hampton has charged the hospital's problems stem from the fact it was built under a public-private partnership, with the private sector providing the funding – resulting in costs that will not be spent on front-line care.
Smitherman called that argument "a bit absurd."
He noted that the health ministry placed an investigator – Ken White, former chief executive of the Trillium Health Centre in Mississauga – at the Brampton hospital six months ago to help get it operational, and his role will continue, though it does not involve day-to-day decision-making.
"It's a very big venture to bring such a substantial new hospital online," Smitherman said. "We'll go one further step and assert a greater degree of leadership."
Minister to name supervisor to take 'good hard look' at troubled facility
Dec 11, 2007 04:30 AM
Prithi Yelaja
Rob Ferguson
Staff Reporters
Thestar.com
Following a rising tide of complaints and Sunday's large protest, the province is appointing a supervisor to oversee Brampton Civic Hospital in a bid to restore public confidence in the new facility.
Troubles at the hospital, including community criticism over two untimely deaths, are "not acceptable," Health Minister George Smitherman told reporters at Queen's Park yesterday.
"Confidence is the word, and it's a test we have to meet. Obviously there have been some concerns that have been going on in that community for a while and we felt it was necessary to take this step because we want to have good forward momentum for that hospital," Smitherman said.
"We want to make sure that people are feeling like they're getting good value ... Obviously the circumstances at present are not acceptable."
He said there are some areas of the hospital's administration "that require a good, hard look" and that the supervisor, to be appointed within two weeks, will have "fairly broad powers to take decisions as required."
In the past, the province has taken the rare step of appointing a supervisor only for hospitals saddled with long-standing problems. Brampton Civic opened on Oct. 28.
The move comes on the heels of a Sunday rally that attracted 1,500 people, most from Brampton's large South Asian community, who marched downtown to protest what they see as a shortage of staff and beds, long wait times and stingy operational funding at the $790 million state-of-the-art hospital.
Rally organizers were elated to hear the announcement.
"Our pressuring the government worked, so that's wonderful news. It's the right thing to do because there's something fishy going on at that hospital," said Rajinder Saini, an organizer of Bramptonians for Better Healthcare and editor of the Parvasi Weekly newspaper.
Relatives of two deceased men – Harnek Sidhu, 52 and Amarjit Narwal, 42 – allege that long wait times and poor staffing contributed to the complications they suffered, and ultimately their deaths, at the hospital last month.
Appointing a supervisor is "awesome," said Sundeep Sidhu, whose father had pancreatitis. "It won't bring back my dad, but at least his death wasn't in vain."
Added Inderjit Nijjar, cousin of Narwal, who died of a stroke: "If having a supervisor saves even one life, it's great news. Maybe now we can get some answers."
Hospital officials were notified late yesterday of Smitherman's decision but would not comment publicly until they had a chance to meet today, said hospital spokesperson Gillian Williams McLean.
"Unfortunately, it was announced in the Legislature before we were notified. You'd expect a certain courtesy. It's a bit surprising this would happen."
NDP Leader Howard Hampton said it's time Smitherman took action, after last week saying the concerns were up to the hospital and its board to solve in consultation with the community.
"All of the McGuinty government's efforts at damage control and attempt to pooh-pooh this last week didn't work. There's real and legitimate concern in the community about the quality of health care that people are receiving," he said in an interview.
Hampton has charged the hospital's problems stem from the fact it was built under a public-private partnership, with the private sector providing the funding – resulting in costs that will not be spent on front-line care.
Smitherman called that argument "a bit absurd."
He noted that the health ministry placed an investigator – Ken White, former chief executive of the Trillium Health Centre in Mississauga – at the Brampton hospital six months ago to help get it operational, and his role will continue, though it does not involve day-to-day decision-making.
"It's a very big venture to bring such a substantial new hospital online," Smitherman said. "We'll go one further step and assert a greater degree of leadership."
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I don't buy the P3 argument too much - the blame should be directed towards low funding (which the province should have already addressed), undercapacity (which the province can fix by starting renovations immediately with the aim of re-opening Peel Memorial as a full hospital with a full 24-hour emergency room) and a really incompetant administration and management and a really bad culture.
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Wrecker's ball looms over Peel Memorial Hospital
Report's grim prognosis for mothballed hospital threatens to fuel battle
The replacement of Peel Memorial Hospital with Brampton Civic Hospital has been controversial, with some residents concerned about patient care.
January 09, 2008
Prithi Yelaja
Staff Reporter
Peel Memorial Hospital is too outdated and rundown to house patient services, says a consultant hired to consider the fate of the 83-year-old mothballed facility.
The logical conclusion – that it would be better to tear it down and start afresh – could ignite a new blaze in the firestorm over health care in Brampton, as the province prepares to meet with local residents tonight for their input on the hospital's future.
The 7:30 public meeting at the Pearson Convention Centre will be residents' first look at the report.
"It says the buildings really are beyond their life cycle and are no longer able to be used," said Joe McReynolds, chair of the Central West Local Health Integration Network, the provincially created body that commissioned the report.
The next step is to compare the costs of demolishing and rebuilding the hospital with refurbishing it, though the report suggests the cost of renovating would be exorbitant, he added.
"No decision has been made one way or the other yet. I'm sure we'll see a strong turnout (tonight) . ... It's been the only hospital for the community for many, many years, so you can understand why there's a strong alliance and a lot of personal connection to that hospital."
The emotion surrounding the fate of Peel Memorial centres on concerns about patient care at the brand-new Brampton Civic Hospital, built by a controversial public-private partnership, and the common belief that fast-growing Brampton needs two hospitals.
Many had hoped to see Peel Memorial reopened in a year or two. At the very least, the report puts that prospect in the distant future.
Some fear the Lynch St. site, prime downtown real estate, will be sold. But McReynolds rejected that notion. "That site will be for health services. That has been said by the premier, by the health minister, and it's certainly the position of the local health integration network.
"The key question is what services are needed and what can be accommodated on that particular site ...," he said. "We certainly have a need for more ambulatory care in the community. I've heard suggestions a birthing centre may be appropriate, because we have one of the highest birth rates in the province.
"So we want to hear these kinds of things; then we'll be in a better position to decide whether or not any of these buildings can be renovated or whether it's more economical to look at the development of new buildings."
Ontario has 14 local health integration networks, which replaced district health councils last April. In setting them up, the province returned more control over health-care decisions to local communities. The Central West network will make recommendations on Peel Memorial to Health Minister George Smitherman.
According to the report on Peel Memorial, prepared by PricewaterhouseCoopers, "the buildings (except for possibly the Kennedy Wing) are at the end of their useful life for the purposes of contemporary health care services."
Based on a review of 13 previous studies of the old hospital's equipment, mechanical and electrical systems, the report concludes they are "in poor condition (and) do not meet current codes and regulations." It also notes "no major upgrades have occurred in the last 10 years; all building systems and components are original to the build date of each building. The approach has been to patch and maintain only."
Any future renovations would have to comply with all codes and regulations, the report points out.
Opened Feb. 2, 1925, with some wings added later, the 366-bed hospital was replaced by Brampton Civic last October. Just two months later, Smitherman sent in a supervisor to look into complaints about long emergency wait times and a shortage of staff, which some people believe contributed to two untimely deaths at the new facility.
Smitherman, who was not available for comment yesterday, has said the government will redevelop Peel Memorial after public consultations. One option the government has considered, according to a report released by the Ontario Health Coalition this week, is to build a 112-bed continuing-care facility on the site.
"We anticipated doing some redevelopment at that site because it is an older facility. That was always part of the plan," Smitherman's spokesperson, Laurel Ostfield, said yesterday.
Redevelopment is slated to start in 2009-10, though Ostfield said it would be premature to release the budgeted costs until plans are finalized. She declined to confirm whether it would be a P3 project.
Report's grim prognosis for mothballed hospital threatens to fuel battle
The replacement of Peel Memorial Hospital with Brampton Civic Hospital has been controversial, with some residents concerned about patient care.
January 09, 2008
Prithi Yelaja
Staff Reporter
Peel Memorial Hospital is too outdated and rundown to house patient services, says a consultant hired to consider the fate of the 83-year-old mothballed facility.
The logical conclusion – that it would be better to tear it down and start afresh – could ignite a new blaze in the firestorm over health care in Brampton, as the province prepares to meet with local residents tonight for their input on the hospital's future.
The 7:30 public meeting at the Pearson Convention Centre will be residents' first look at the report.
"It says the buildings really are beyond their life cycle and are no longer able to be used," said Joe McReynolds, chair of the Central West Local Health Integration Network, the provincially created body that commissioned the report.
The next step is to compare the costs of demolishing and rebuilding the hospital with refurbishing it, though the report suggests the cost of renovating would be exorbitant, he added.
"No decision has been made one way or the other yet. I'm sure we'll see a strong turnout (tonight) . ... It's been the only hospital for the community for many, many years, so you can understand why there's a strong alliance and a lot of personal connection to that hospital."
The emotion surrounding the fate of Peel Memorial centres on concerns about patient care at the brand-new Brampton Civic Hospital, built by a controversial public-private partnership, and the common belief that fast-growing Brampton needs two hospitals.
Many had hoped to see Peel Memorial reopened in a year or two. At the very least, the report puts that prospect in the distant future.
Some fear the Lynch St. site, prime downtown real estate, will be sold. But McReynolds rejected that notion. "That site will be for health services. That has been said by the premier, by the health minister, and it's certainly the position of the local health integration network.
"The key question is what services are needed and what can be accommodated on that particular site ...," he said. "We certainly have a need for more ambulatory care in the community. I've heard suggestions a birthing centre may be appropriate, because we have one of the highest birth rates in the province.
"So we want to hear these kinds of things; then we'll be in a better position to decide whether or not any of these buildings can be renovated or whether it's more economical to look at the development of new buildings."
Ontario has 14 local health integration networks, which replaced district health councils last April. In setting them up, the province returned more control over health-care decisions to local communities. The Central West network will make recommendations on Peel Memorial to Health Minister George Smitherman.
According to the report on Peel Memorial, prepared by PricewaterhouseCoopers, "the buildings (except for possibly the Kennedy Wing) are at the end of their useful life for the purposes of contemporary health care services."
Based on a review of 13 previous studies of the old hospital's equipment, mechanical and electrical systems, the report concludes they are "in poor condition (and) do not meet current codes and regulations." It also notes "no major upgrades have occurred in the last 10 years; all building systems and components are original to the build date of each building. The approach has been to patch and maintain only."
Any future renovations would have to comply with all codes and regulations, the report points out.
Opened Feb. 2, 1925, with some wings added later, the 366-bed hospital was replaced by Brampton Civic last October. Just two months later, Smitherman sent in a supervisor to look into complaints about long emergency wait times and a shortage of staff, which some people believe contributed to two untimely deaths at the new facility.
Smitherman, who was not available for comment yesterday, has said the government will redevelop Peel Memorial after public consultations. One option the government has considered, according to a report released by the Ontario Health Coalition this week, is to build a 112-bed continuing-care facility on the site.
"We anticipated doing some redevelopment at that site because it is an older facility. That was always part of the plan," Smitherman's spokesperson, Laurel Ostfield, said yesterday.
Redevelopment is slated to start in 2009-10, though Ostfield said it would be premature to release the budgeted costs until plans are finalized. She declined to confirm whether it would be a P3 project.
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Update: November 24th -
Dan416
Senior Member
So they are finally demolishing the old hospital. Then what?
Ryan_T
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HotStuff
New Member
Does anyone know if Brampton will be getting another hospital. i heard one is demolished.
Dan416
Senior Member
Don't make me Google to see what they're doing here!
WiddleBittyKitty
Felis catus
You heard one was demolished? Can't you see in the photos above that one is being demolished?
HotStuff
New Member
yea sorry. my mistake.
M____J1
New Member
Dan416
Senior Member
Sounds like no emergency or birthing facilities, which are the two things I would expect to see here. But what do I know...
TOareaFan
Superstar
The Site is to be turned into a multi-phased healthcare facility which will deliver some targeted health care needs.
While this new approach to healthcare has some merit and will reduce the pressure on Brampton Civic, it won't add a single hospital bed and Brampton will continue to have a provincial low number of beds per resident (and given its growth rate it only gets worse).
http://buildosler.com/peel-memorial-redevelopment/the-new-peel-memorial/
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Dan416
Senior Member
That sucks