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Park Hyatt Renovation 
170 Bloor St W, Toronto
Developer: Oxford Properties Group

Park Hyatt Renovation | 63m | 18s | Oxford Properties | KPMB

Discussion in 'Buildings' started by urbandreamer, Apr 15, 2016.

  1. urbandreamer

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    Redevelopment of the Park Hyatt Hotel at Bloor and Avenue Road. 170 Bloor West and 4 Avenue Road.:)

    Will Queen's Park view cones limit the height here? I could see a mixed use condo/hotel with better retail opportunities especially compared to the huge driveway on Avenue Road.

    8AvenueRoad.com was just registered and of course it's mentioned in the latest Toronto Lobbyist Registry listings.
     
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    Perhaps a tower is planned for the 4 Avenue lot, but I can't imagine the 170 Bloor building being torn down. Perhaps integrated.

    Is there an actual development application?
     
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    No, it's just speculation on nothing. Oxford and condos? That's a stretch.
     
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    I'm speculating on you not having seen my proof yet
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    Maybe it's one of those trendy luxury rental towers or three? I could see 30/40/30 storey triplets working here cantilevered above the heritage building etc.
     
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    I would hope nothing dramatic happens to 170 Bloor W, I quite like the building even if it is a bit of a clunker. Hopefully they focus on the North part of the site instead.
     
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    Interesting but still goes against the sale and hotel management agreement between Oxford and Hyatt. Oxford has stated they plan on doing some tinkering with the historic office tower (note: only a few floors are converted to hotel use) That's a little disconcerting no matter how minor.
     
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    Well, proof that someone might lobby the city on the issue. It's a stretch to conclude that this means there will be a redevelopment of any part of the site.
     
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    How so? It's certainly enough to start a thread. If they are hiring planning consultants (Bousfields), they are clearly thinking of it.
     
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    There are definitely plans for the heritage building but my understanding is that they relate more to the inside (i.e. use).
     
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    Do you know more? I'm mostly curious if the hotel will abandon their four (?) floors. I don't really want to here of any refresh. 170 Bloor was one of those investor driven spec builds. It's not exactly a masterpiece. Not only that, construction stopped for 5 or 6 years when the market crash before being quickly finished off in the mid 1930s.
     
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    Site Plan Approval for renovations to an existing hotel and office/retail building. The proposal includes conversion of a portion of the building to residential use.
    Proposed Use --- # of Storeys --- # of Units ---
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    Site Plan Approval 16 200185 STE 20 SA Aug 2, 2016 Under Review
     
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    Going back to this post: yeah, I know we've had arguments over 60s precast (Simpsons, 1200 Bay, etc), but you'd actually use those kinds of "spec build/no masterpiece/building stopped during the depression" alibis to advocate sacrificing the *Park Plaza*?!? That does it. You're hopeless.

    (Come to think of it: when it comes to Bloor & Avenue Rd, : going back to about 2008/9 or so, there was this obnoxious pseudo-know-it-all poster named "Whoaccio" whom I basically chased off UT after he pretty much advocated demolishing the Church Of The Redeemer because it's better than it becoming a toylike developer's pawn, or something like it. Then I sorta outed him as being an all-around professional comment-thread pest here there and everywhere--thereafter, he vanished from UT. His modern-day equivalent might be some of the more insufferably laddish Bernie-Or-Bust characters out there. A bit different from maestro, who just sounds like a naive development-industry pawn whose naivety might also come with being from a different "developer/political/heritage culture", at least if we take his substitution of "here" for "hear" as an English-not-first-language signal...)
     
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    Yep, only you would miss the obvious, I don't really want to here of any refresh. and conflate the brief history lesson with it being unworthy. It's no different than you dismissing someone as a troglodyte for understanding the need to replace an end of life precast facade and the desire not replicate it . You're hopeless in your arrogant, unwavering position.

    You, of all people, playing grammar police?!?
     
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    Yeah, why not. You just reiterated the here/hear mixup--unless that's some Trump-supporter-esque "doubling down" tactic. (Though I'd be more willing to let the missing "to" in "the desire not replicate it" pass. But here vs hear is so blatantly *idiotic* a typo on any other than English-second-language grounds, it's hard to let it pass.)

    Speaking of that kind of ESL-based cultural clash, it's worth noting how it's come to characterize a lot of Vancouver heritage discussion ever since the Asian-emigre-boom-led "monster home" onslaught of the 80s and 90s. Sort of like, the "hopelessness" you see in me as being the equivalent to the reflexive racism and obstinate cultural insensitivity Vancouver's affluent-class Asian-Canadians see in preservationists (and that "our" preservationist-sensibility fetishizing of fetid ancient hutongs is just so much Western yuppie-elite imported arrogance force-fed into a culture not its own). Though around UT, ksun's the likeliest to wield that hardcore pro-Asian/anti-West baton.

    Nevertheless, this is Toronto. And the irony is, the "brief history lesson" you're offering does *not* devalue the original Park Plaza/Hyatt, heritage-wise--unless it's among the pro-development astroturf contingent within UT who'd *love* to have some Mirvish/Gehry-level scheme to emerge and enable their desired will to "let the Park Plaza go". Well, if that's the crowd you choose to hang in, it's a little like men's rights activists throwing darts at the "arrogant, unwavering position" of their "hopeless" feminist critics.
     
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    I haven't been involved in this debate, but I feel compelled to note that in my view calling someone an "idiot" for using imperfect grammar is a far greater character flaw than using imperfect grammar. It's both pretentious and crass, and furthermore the not-so-subtle insinuation that he's akin to a Trump supporter shows a total lack of measure which is ironically far more in keeping with the characteristics of a political zealot.

    In the context of this argument, is it indeed worth noting? Aside from preservationists in both instances being described as "hopeless" there are no parallels here. By your own admission the Vancouver example is an argument rooted in cultural and class dynamics more attributable to ksun's school of argument and not something that maestro has raised. You're not proffering any argument here. This is effectively more name-calling.

    Actually it's not ironic at all as his intention was indeed *not* to devalue the original building. As he already stated, he'd prefer not to see a refresh here. For some reason you chose to ignore the substance of his position and attack his grammar.

    First off, I think you'd be hard pressed to find more than two or three people on this entire forum who would support such a scheme, so holding such group up as a "contingent" is disingenuous and somewhat of a red herring. How you then make the leap in logic to suggest that he is among that contingent, and by extension, comparable to idiot sexists, is simply astounding.

    You've managed to write so much and the only true substance I see is "neener neener neener".
     
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