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Montgomery Square 
2384 Yonge St, Toronto
Developer: Rockport Group

Montgomery Square | 84m | 27s | Rockport Group | RAW Design

Discussion in 'Buildings' started by AlbertC, Aug 5, 2012.

  1. AlbertC

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    http://torontoist.com/2012/07/rebelling-over-postal-station-k/

    Rebelling Over Postal Station K

    Locals rally to save a historic building on a key Rebellion of 1837 site.
    BY JAMIE BRADBURN


     
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    I like this building and as more and more tall buildings are built around it - i can see it being a bit of a respite. Its also somewhat notable for one of the few buildings with King Edward's crest (few buildings were completed before he abdicated the throne).
     
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    Feds sell Postal Station K (Yonge/Montgomery)

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    Notice from Josh Matlow:

    Good to know that the Harpo government cares. This is in Joe Oliver's riding.
     
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    Why would the Harper government know or care about such a small item of Canada Post business?

    The architectural/preservationist aspect of this sale notwithstanding, Colle making political hay out of this is hardly meaningful. It would be weird for any Prime Minister to get involved with such a small decision as this, and as for Joe Oliver, what could he do? It's not like being MNR gives him any say over Canada Post.

    Who is the station being sold to, and for what purpose?
     
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    Joe Oliver could have said something to someone, given the local concern about this structure. Got stipulations on a possible sale. Tony Clement got millions for little pork projects in Muskoka, and the government certainly would like to keep a toehold into central Toronto, no?

    Oliver's barren twitter account is mostly rehashing government talking points and talk about meeting Israeli politicans. He's useless to the area. Well, not that Joe Volpe was any better.
     
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    Transaction still hasn't hit TREB or RealNet.
     
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    "say something" to who? The random civil servant in charge of Canada Post's property portfolio? That would,and should, be a way bigger scandal, since random MPs aren't supposed to interfere in the day-to-day businesss of Crown Corps which aren't even in their portfolio.

    I get that pork-barreling happens, in this government and others, but it generally occurs through relevant ministries or the budget, and not by back-channel influence on crown corps.
     
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  8. adma

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    But Oliver isn't just a "random MP". He's the local MP. And his "portfolio" has nothing to do with anything; he could be a backbencher (even opposition) for all anyone cares--but as the locally elected federal representative, he's in the strongest position to have *any* direct pull when it comes to a Crown Corporation. This isn't a matter of "pork barrelling" at all; this is a matter of All Politics Is Local. Sensitivity to the constituency; not pork-barrelling on behalf of the constituency.

    Otherwise, you might as well declare *any* such batting-on-behalf-of-local-heritage to be "pork barrelling"--in which case, I wouldn't want to see insensitive jerks like you making calls on heritage, anywhere, anyplace, anytime...
     
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    This is a really important site. The one and only direct identifiable site related to the start of the failed 1837 Upper Canada Rebellion, led by the first mayor of Toronto. William Lyon Mackenzie, but as much so (and with more bloodshed) Louis-Joseph Papineau in the Lower Canada Rebellion, helped bring Responsible Government to Canada. In Upper Canada affairs were run by a clique of Anglo-Protestant, rich Conservative plutocrats. (Hmm, sounds familiar.) The building itself, built in the 1930s, kept a public space in front, there is a National Historic Site plaque about the site's history. The building itself has a rare mark of the short-reigning Edward VIII (who abdicated from the throne, replaced by George VI, you'd get it if you saw "The King's Speech"). I'm no royalist (more of a republican), but this has some historical intrigue.

    This is a one-in-a-million building. Joe Oliver, representing the government that owned the land, certainly could have had some say in this. It's not unusual, nor necessarily scandalous, for local MPs/MPPs to lobby for their local constituencies. Some might say that that is their job.

    And now we know who the purchaser is. Rockport Group, a condo developer. Not good news.
     
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    If this is such an historic building I wonder why the city didn't take steps to have it designated Designated Heritage Part IV? I see it is "listed" which would at least slow down if not prevent it from being torn down.

    I can't imagine any developer would propose to tear down the stone portion of this building. This is a large site, lots of room for a tower without resorting to tearing down Station K. At the very minimum they would want to preserve the stone facade, don't know if there is anything inside worth preserving.

    This would make a great location for retail such as Teatro Verde. The building could even turn out looking much better if they got rid of the ugly windows and awnings as well as the shabby landscaping in front and replaced it with a stone plaza.

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    After posting my above comment I read this in the Toronto Star:

    Based on the comments of the developer I think people can rest assured that the facade will be retained (and probably improved).
     
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  11. adma

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    Why? Actually, a quite simple reason. Federally-owned properties are off limits to municipal designation under the Ontario Heritage Act. The City can *list*...but it can't designate.
     
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    That's interesting. I didn't know that. Now that the property is in private hands hopefully the city won't waste any time getting it designated. It seems like the sale of the property to a private developer actually enhances the ability of the city to save the structure.
     
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    It's not the government per se that owns the building, though. It's a Crown Corp (CanPost) whose day-to-day operations are supposed to be carried out independently of elected representatives.

    This issue plays out way more frequently (for different reasons) in rural Canada where Canada Post has been closing stations and reducing service for decades, under different governments. Obviously every MP would (presumably) want to keep as many postal stations in their riding, but the point of crown corps is to operate independently within the constraints set on it by Parliament through the Budget. It's Canadian Governance 101.

    Never mind more obvious, and perhaps more sensitive, examples of political influence in other Crown Corps like the CBC. Again, this IS an issue when the CBC slashes rural services. For good reason though, we would never tolerate local MPs somehow influence the CBC's programing decisions.

    To restate, Crown Corps exist for no other reason than to remove routine governance of public services from political influence, even if that politician is representing the interest of their constituency.

    And to be clear, I'm not saying I'm happy about this at all, but blaming it on the "Harpo govt" is kind of odd given how sacrosanct Crown Corp independence is. I would doubt any elected official anywhere would have even been notified about this sale before it was announced.

    Anyways, the ball is in the City's court now. It's not a Federal Building anymore, so there's no stopping us from designating it a historical site.
     
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    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/1...loper-buys-historic-yonge-street-post-office/

    This is ‘nothing less than shameful’: After months-long fight, developer buys historic Yonge Street post office

    Tristin Hopper | Nov 10, 2012 12:10 AM ET


     
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