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Suggesting that they sold cheap because they bought cheap doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The market is in the tank right now and developers (especially those smaller uns with projects in hand like Diamante) are undoubtably struggling with their cash flows given the tight credit market. $0.50 on yesterday's dollar for development sites/investment properties is highly probable. I'm aware of a couple REITs that are forced to slash distributions instead of selling assets to raise cash because absolutely nothing is or has moved in a looong time. Diamante doesn't have that choice.
 
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Statements about "50 cents on the dollar" are irresponsible nonsense. Diamante sold the land at $18,750,000. At a site area of 36,740 square feet, that's equivalent to $510 per square foot, pretty closely in line with other downtown condo sites over the past couple of years.

I wonder if people making such statements know, or care, how much was paid for the land in the first place? (Hint: nowhere near $1,000 per square foot.) I wonder what their motivation is, in spreading such rumours?

Is Diamante in financial difficulty? I don't know. I suppose it's possible, although I haven't heard any such thing from any reputable source, and I wouldn't be jumping to quick conclusions. They have other things in progress, and it may be that they are simply making a sensible business decision to reduce their exposure in the current slower market.
 
... I'm wondering, where do builders/developers advertise their properties for sale (mls?) allowing Concert to make the purchase? Or did Concert went up to Diamente/property owner and said "we want your property, give us a number"?

The larger sites, like this one, usually aren't listed on the MLS. There are a fairly limited number of players in this market, and it's pretty easy to get the word out. They are sometimes listed on an exclusive basis, with a limited number of the larger brokers (LePage, CB Richard Ellis, Colliers, maybe Barnicke or Avison Young). There are also a few lawyers who are active in development work and who might put a deal together.

It's indeed possible that Concert just approached Diamante directly, as you suggest.
 
Is Diamante in financial difficulty? I don't know. I suppose it's possible, although I haven't heard any such thing from any reputable source, and I wouldn't be jumping to quick conclusions. They have other things in progress, and it may be that they are simply making a sensible business decision to reduce their exposure in the current slower market.

I dont think it was about Diamante Developments being in financial difficulty, but more about the city not giving them the go ahead to build their 50 storey condo, they might have just figured it wasant worth the time and money to fight something that city wasnt going to approve anyways.
 
Recent article about rentals in the city, with mention of the former Two City Hall site. Don't know how I feel about rentals - I guess if they are nice and higher-end, it'd be acceptable. (To be fair, in my mind, I'm picturing the stereotypical awful older rental buildings....)


RENTALS
Sour economy spurs sweet success
Intensification, rent control changes and shortage of stock give rise to new projects
May 23, 2009

Ellen Moorhouse

SPECIAL TO THE STAR

It's hard to imagine a more challenging time for business and markets than the past half year. With consumers running for cover and the international banking system imploding, what were developers and builders to do?

If you were Brian McCauley, executive vice-president of Vancouver-based Concert Properties, you were negotiating a deal with Diamante Development Corp. worth close to $20 million to acquire a condo site with approvals in place at Bay and Dundas Sts. His company will build the 26-storey, 448-unit project as a high-end rental.

"From a global perspective, Toronto is still a very strong marketplace in spite of the current softening that we've all experienced across Canada," McCauley comments.

It also must be encouraging that Toronto's apartment vacancy rate is at a seven-year low of 2 per cent, according to Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. data, while vacancy rates for the subcategory of rented condos, representing newer apartment stock with substantially higher rents, is a microscopic 0.4 per cent, with rents almost 50 per cent higher than those in aging rental buildings.

"We have such a strong focus on rentals – because we want to build long-term income," says McCauley, of the Vancouver-based company, which is owned by 19 Canadian pension funds. "That was really the motivation for us buying the site at Dundas and Bay because it's zoned, ready to go and an exceptional location for a new residential project. We're quite prepared to move forward with this on a rental basis."

Although Concert has recently built 1,150 rental units in Toronto, has 1,300 others in the planning stages and 250 condo units approved but not yet under construction, it took a global financial crisis for the company to win the prime Bay St. site.

Diamante co-president Julie Di Lorenzo admitted the property would have been worth 40 per cent more a year earlier, but with new economic realities, she and her international partners, who had owned the site for almost two decades, decided to move on.

"In my mind, because of the product on the market, the (condo) project wouldn't be viable for five years," she said. "It was a pure business play.''

Concert isn't alone in stepping up to the plate to build rentals in Toronto now.

For years, new rental projects have been scarce, in part because of fierce competition for land from condo developers, who can afford to pay more and still retain profitability.

But the city's greater receptivity to intensification and infill projects, Ontario's 1997 changes to rent control, allowing landlords to reset rents at market value for new tenancies, and a shortage of new apartments are all factors putting a little sheen back on rental project viability. Some large apartment owners have started exploiting land around their older buildings for development potential.

Take Homestead Land Holdings Ltd., for example. The Kingston-based company, owner and operator of more than 22,000 apartments, is building a 155-suite rental at Mount Pleasant Rd. and Erskine Ave., where it has three older rental towers and acquired a former gas station property to augment the site.

"We couldn't have made the rental building work if we had had to compete with a condo purchaser," says company CEO Alf Hendry, of the property. The project, Homestead's first new construction venture in Toronto, will be positioned as a high-end rental, "the only market you can build to where you can make any economic sense."

Park Property Management president Gerd Wengler, an engineer by trade, is enthusiastic about his company's first new rental construction project in four decades on property surrounding 100 Spadina Rd., a 1960s apartment designed by whimsical architect Uno Prii.

"We felt that there's not much new rental that's come on the market for many, many years because it's prohibitively expensive," says Wengler, whose company owns about 7,800 units and has grown through acquisition. "We had the land for free, that's the only way it works."

He says rents at the project, Annex Terraces, will range from $1,100 a month for a 500-square-foot junior one-bedroom to $2,500 for a 1,200-square-foot penthouse.

"We wanted to position ourselves much better than the existing rental stock in Toronto, but a little below the condominium for rent," says Wengler.

For example, while condo apartments have ensuite washers and dryers, his project will have shared laundry facilities on each floor, not just one in the basement, although penthouses will have their own.

Medallion Corp., another rental owner and developer, was one of the first to start building apartments again. Six years ago, it completed the nine-storey Marquee in the West Queen West triangle, before the neighbourhood became a trendy target for condo development.

"The numbers worked out because we already owned the land," says Rad Vucecivich, director of development and construction for Medallion Developments Inc.

Vucecivich says the Marquee, with rents from just under $1,000 for small one-bedrooms to $1,500 for two-bedrooms, is a success.

The company hopes to start construction this fall on another 297-unit rental building in the same area.

Medallion also plans to revitalize retail space and add a new rental tower to its residential-commercial complex on Sherbourne St. in St. James Town, where new condo development is transforming the neighbourhood.

There's no question that the condo industry has had an impact on these new apartment buildings. The architects tend to be a who's who of condo design: Quadrangle, Core, Page + Steele. And the new rental stock is competing with the thousands of investor-bought condos that are on the rental market.

Mind you, apartment projects have their own parameters. For example, Core Architects is working on a 13- or 14-floor project – Adelaide Residences – on Adelaide St. near Bathurst for Brooklyn-based Boymelgreen Developers. Core, which has already designed seven condos in the area, was hired to make the new project fit in.

"This thing is a rental," says Charles Gane, a principal of the firm. "So you have to pack in a lot more than you would in a condo. We normally, in this size, probably would have only 350 to 400 condo suites, but you might have 600 rental suites to keep them in that sweet spot for marketing." (Gane says the project will be built, rented and then sold to a buyer, such as a pension fund.)

Taking a cue from the neighbourhood, the interiors will be more loft-like than usual for rental projects, with expanses of glass, balconies, concrete ceilings and exposed ductwork – "things condo people are used to." Unlike condos, however, the ceilings will be eight-foot.

The proposed building will have unusual massing, with a dramatic pass-through connecting Adelaide St. W. to a laneway at the back.

"Condominium buildings have raised standards overall," says architect Sol Wassermuhl, Page + Steele's president.

Despite new projects, rental construction in the city is scarce. Last year, for example, CMHC reported 1,400 rental apartment completions in the GTA, barely enough to replace units withdrawn from the market or converted to condos.

Toronto Star
 
Daily Commercial News

Quick update on (former) Two City Hall ~
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MIXED USE BUILDING
Proj: 9097568-2
Toronto, Metro Toronto Reg ON
PREPARING PLANS
570 Bay St, Dundas St W, M5W
$36,000,000 est


Start: April, 2010
Complete: April, 2012
Note: Preliminary design is underway. Owner expects Working drawings will begin September/October, 2009. Construction start is anticipated Spring, 2010. Sub trades will be secured by Invitation. Further update Fall, 2009.
No unsolicited phone calls will be accepted.
Project: proposed construction of a 26 storey apartment building with 450 units. The project will also include retail space at grade level.
Scope: 330,000 square feet; 26 storeys; 2 storeys below grade; 450 units; 4 acres
Development: New
Category: Apartment bldgs; Retail, wholesale services

This report Mon Aug 17, 2009.


http://www.dailycommercialnews.com/cgi-bin/top10.pl?rm=show_top10_project&id=0fee4bdc3e5d2847a8c4f1e70df1284c5fe27421&projectid=9106418&region=ontario
 
I am happy enough to have it not loom out over City Hall, and I'm extra super-duper happy to have news that construction is not far off: the rejuvenation of Bay Street continues apace...

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The height isn't of interest to me so much as the massing. I'd like to see a strong podium (or at least a strong streetwall) to continue the lines of the Ryerson Business Building. I'd also like to see a PATH connection to the Atrium and Ryerson, and hopefully they incorporate some kind of interesting lighting feature to contribute to our flashing light district
 
I second Interchange's happiness at its relative stumpiness. There are only a few views in the city that I think are truly worth preserving, and the view of City Hall from Queen is one of them.
 
As listed in the on-line City Planning Applications Site

The City's site says:

Site Plan Approval 09 152790 STE 27 SA 570 BAY ST

Site Plan approval for proposal to construct a 29 sty rental apartment building with below grade parking 219 spaces & commercial at grade. 462 units.
 
I also agree with the need to preserve the uncluttered view of city hall. The previous proposal of over 50 stories would have been horrible here.
 
The City's site says: Site Plan Approval 09 152790 STE 27 SA 570 BAY ST

Site Plan approval for proposal to construct a 29 sty rental apartment building with below grade parking 219 spaces & commercial at grade. 462 units.

This is an APPLICATION (submitted 4 August 2009) and you should note that a Zoning Review is not yet started so I don't see anything "concrete" happening until spring 2010, at the earliest! The Zoning Review was submitted in June.

Application: Zoning Review Status: Not Started

Location: 570 BAY ST
TORONTO ON M5G 2R1

Ward 27: Toronto Centre-Rosedale

Application#: 09 149404 ZPR 00 ZR Accepted Date: Jun 12, 2009

Project: Multiple-Use Building New Building

Description: PUBLIC - PRELIMINARY PROJECT REVIEW, >>Proposal to construct a 29 sty rental apartment building with below grade parking & commercial at grade. 461 units. Also see related PPR for same proposal with optional below grade "Enwave" energy centre (district heating, cooling, & co-generation facility) 09 149408 PPR.
 
Don't know if this is true, but heard:

- (lower) ~15 to 19 storeys along Dundas
- maybe 30 storeys (or maybe 29 according to previous posts) along Bay
- don't know about underground parking
 

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