I have no need for a day pass. I would like a Presto app, however
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CodeMonkey
Active Member
It's kind of an stupid system. Relies on TTC operators looking at your smartphone screen every time, no way to verify it's an guarantee purchased ticket, other than the screen changing colour when you tap it. Despite is faults, Presto cards have the advantage of NFC to verify valid fares and to move passengers quickly through the door and turnstiles. I get the idea is for users want it all in the phone, but Apple doesn't allow third-party apps access to the NFC and the use of QR Codes as payment/proof-of-purchase debate of its pros and cons can take up an entire thread.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
My thinking is it's only for the pan am game to help with poel buying day passes so there aren't long lines at the collectors booths. I'm only thinking that because all the adds I've seen for it on the subway mention the Pan Am Games in them as well. My guess is once presto comes in they are going to get rid of it compactly or maybe even before that.
Electrify
Senior Member
And NFC chips in Android phones continue to be a mostly useless add on outside of the US.
Tuscani01
Senior Member
No
And how is that any different than the current system of using paper passes?
The operator doesn't verify every day pass isn't simply a printout. Its no different than that. Upon closer inspection the operator would be able to see if its simply an image or if it is an actual pass.
And how is that any different than the current system of using paper passes?
The operator doesn't verify every day pass isn't simply a printout. Its no different than that. Upon closer inspection the operator would be able to see if its simply an image or if it is an actual pass.
P23
Active Member
It's beyond most people's capabilities to print a fake day pass. Especially since they're scratch-off.
Tuscani01
Senior Member
CodeMonkey
Active Member
You highlighted why they're ending the paper passes. It shouldn't operate in the same manner as paper passes, because if your just creating a app that has the same security features as a paper pass, then why create the app at all? Besides, I can create the same app in Android and the TTC Operator wouldn't no the difference. They should have least have the app generate an QR Code that the TTC Operator can scan to verify with it central system that the e-ticket is valid and paid for.
Electrify
Senior Member
Looking at the PDF a few pages back, am I the only one who thinks the TTC is overly optimistic about being able to drop fare collectors entirely? In recent years I've been to both Montreal and New York, and they both have fare collectors despite being on a smart card system. Likewise GO is 100% Presto, yet they have fare collectors at their stations. They are useful for when cards need servicing, or if someone is paying with cash.
One thing of interest is that it mentions rear door Presto setup on buses. Is the TTC really moving towards a 100% POP fare structure? I can understand it on streetcars and certain key bus routes (ie: the 19X Rocket routes), but on lesser used routes it seems far less cost efficient since either people will sneak on or they will be having to pay a special constable to check buses with few riders.
One thing of interest is that it mentions rear door Presto setup on buses. Is the TTC really moving towards a 100% POP fare structure? I can understand it on streetcars and certain key bus routes (ie: the 19X Rocket routes), but on lesser used routes it seems far less cost efficient since either people will sneak on or they will be having to pay a special constable to check buses with few riders.
johntauren
Active Member
I imagine for a low use bus route, the driver probably just wouldn't need to open the rear doors at all. Since it's low use, it's not too much time for the driver to check POP.
11th
Senior Member
What I get is they will go with something similar to GO's model. There will be station attendant, just not "at the gate" as is TTC's current set up.
nfitz
Superstar
Though I'm not aware of any plans to use POP on any bus routes, beyond the buses replacing streetcars (the 504 shuttle, etc.).
dowlingm
Senior Member
The app's limited function stinks of something bought off the shelf rather than designed to actual TTC/Torontonian requirements just to meet a Pan Am deadline. So many things being rammed into the GTA transit system half assed - god help us if David Peterson and the others pleading with the IOC to like us get their way and we have nine more years of hasty decisions.
And no, I'm not *just* saying this out of rage that another Toronto municipal app (after Green P) has come out without Blackberry support because its American developer couldn't be bothered and the city didn't consider it critical to back a significant regional employer.
And no, I'm not *just* saying this out of rage that another Toronto municipal app (after Green P) has come out without Blackberry support because its American developer couldn't be bothered and the city didn't consider it critical to back a significant regional employer.
nfitz
Superstar
I haven't used the Green P app yet - but can't Blackberry (or Windows) users simply use the website from their mobile? https://parkgreenp.com/park/ I thought a specialized app was only necessary for more more limited devices that can't handle just using the website.
ksun
Senior Member
Why do you think an average person drives during the weekend and don't use transit? It is still a lot more convenient and probably cheaper to take transit when they come to downtown. And that $12.5 is probably worth it.
I think what they should do is to to scrap monthly passes and put a maximum charge amount equivalent to the monthly pass so that the system keeps deducting fare for each trip until the cap is reached. Essentially one can have a monthly pass without having to buy one. London does that on a daily basis. Not sure if TTC will be sane enough to do that, or will keep maximizing profits.