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Waiting for the Missing Link won't speed this project up....it would delay it, and tieing it to the Link would leave the impression that the overpass isn't really needed at all. (it will be, if a cross-town transit line were ever planned for the North Toronto route....but that's 15 or more years away). The Link is going to need plenty of time to complete.

The whole RER was overpromised in terms of money and project capability. And Wynne has thrown a curve by committing to Niagara and Bowmanville. The new sched is at least honest, hopefully enough money gets committed pre election that an incoming government would retain it..... especially since the votes lost by wynne that you speak of would likely go to the incoming party, who would want to repay the voters.

- Paul
Jesus, so were stuck. So Speed up the diamond since that can't be done, or at this point all I can say is either launch hourly to Bradford, and eat the delays along the line. They have to choose an option that won't make them lose votes.
Why in hell would anything that GO/Metrolinx is building at this stage be anything but ready for electrification? If we need to ask that, then we really do have to question right to the top of the organization.
Because they thought it would be all done in one shot.
Almost agreed on all points....but that's *precisely* why Wynne could use The Missing Link as her lifesaver. And at a much cheaper cost since the Feds are required by the Relocation Act to pay half, if not more with other programs like Infrastructure out of other Fed budgets.

Wynne is so out of her depth now she needs something to grasp onto to put a hold on the multiplicity of promises she can't and won't keep. At this point, does anyone take her seriously? Speaking of the Bowmanville and Niag....Squirrel! Over there!

I do think the "diamond" could take a second look if The Link does come to fruition. The problem isn't available pathing so much as it is *co-ordinated dispatching and signal priority* from GO. If the Diamond doesn't have to happen, huge amounts will be saved. It needs a second look, including if freight is gone, is a bridge/underpass along the Crosstown RoW a much better approach? (There's a lot more space to work with, and far lower res density adjacent)
It does, but what makes the diamond critical is work is that the entire community needs it. The diamond is need, just that metrolinx thought it could be. But overall I agree steve, but I would add that the missing link will take time as well, and has the same community issues too.
 
...But overall I agree steve, but I would add that the missing link will take time as well, and has the same community issues too.
Agreed, but the *yield* from the Missing Link is magnitudes greater than any single GO project, probably equal to the sum of them all at this point, and would be driven by Fed fiat. Two very potent Acts are in the hands of the Feds, and Wynne could ride the inertia driven from Ottawa. It would immediately give QP cover to say: "We've entered into an agreement with the Trudeau Gov't to build one of the most important infrastructure projects in this nation since the St Lawrence Seaway. It radically alters the nature of almost every GO project we have announced to date, so with this announcement, we are pushing forward on the Missing Link with all the capacity we can to allow reconfiguring not just the previously announced GO projects, which are behind schedule, but saving huge amounts of capital in doing so, and so we'll put that towards getting far better a network from the savings."

That alone might be enough to save her sorry azz, whichever way it swings. Trudeau needs it too. He'd better get of his sorry azz as well. I think he was the best choice for the nation, but it's now well past time for him to stop talking, and start doing. In the big picture, The Missing Link is quite affordable considering the massive yield from doing it.

Btw: Slightly off the string, but reading up on the Canada Southern Railway, yet another example of where CN and CP did work together to buy the defunct US rail behemoth for the tunnel and bridge each end for both of their freight uses.
 
Agreed, but the *yield* from the Missing Link is magnitudes greater than any single GO project, probably equal to the sum of them all at this point, and would be driven by Fed fiat. Two very potent Acts are in the hands of the Feds, and Wynne could ride the inertia driven from Ottawa. It would immediately give QP cover to say: "We've entered into an agreement with the Trudeau Gov't to build one of the most important infrastructure projects in this nation since the St Lawrence Seaway. It radically alters the nature of almost every GO project we have announced to date, so with this announcement, we are pushing forward on the Missing Link with all the capacity we can to allow reconfiguring not just the previously announced GO projects, which are behind schedule, but saving huge amounts of capital in doing so, and so we'll put that towards getting far better a network from the savings."

That alone might be enough to save her sorry azz, whichever way it swings. Trudeau needs it too. He'd better get of his sorry azz as well. I think he was the best choice for the nation, but it's now well past time for him to stop talking, and start doing. In the big picture, The Missing Link is quite affordable considering the massive yield from doing it.

Btw: Slightly off the string, but reading up on the Canada Southern Railway, yet another example of where CN and CP did work together to buy the defunct US rail behemoth for the tunnel and bridge each end for both of their freight uses.
You think would force CP Rail to the table at least eh? I dunno, they're so hardcore and look at all the money we have spent so far in Hamilton because of them. They need to find a way to speed up the diamond or at least get hourly service to newmarket otherwise Brown will be premier.
 
I'll repost this in the Missing Link forum, where the two bearing Acts are posted and discussed, but this should give you some insight into the powers the Feds have, and how they're not using them: (Photos at link at bottom)
RRCA Gives Council Power to Order Move of West Harbour CN Yard
By Joey Coleman | May 11, 2015

As cities across Canada engage in urban redevelopment and moving disruptive railways, a dormant piece of powerful legislation is returning to the spotlight – legislation which gives Hamilton City Council the power to finally move the Stuart Street marshalling yard along Hamilton’s West Harbour waterfront.

The federal Railway Relocation and Crossing Act (CanLii version) enables municipalities to apply to the Canadian Transportation Agency for an order to move railways and yards – provided the municipality pays and relocation does not harm the viability and finances of the railway.

RRCA and West Harbour
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City of Hamilton Neighbourhood Map shows land mass of CN rail yard which separates two neighbourhoods from the West Harbour waterfront

Relocating the Stuart Street CN marshalling yard was identified as a priority economic development project by the first Council of the new City of Hamilton in 2002.

Each successive Council have renewed this priority. Most recently as a key priority in the West Harbour Barton-Tiffany Urban Design Study.

Yet, after over a decade, what little talks have occurred have made no change to the situation.

With US Steel lands for sale as a location to relocate the marshalling yard, City Council is provided an opportunity to act this term to ends ongoing conflicts caused by West Harbour residential and recreation uses abutting the CN yard.

Using the RRCA is not a sledgehammer to a fly situation. It does not preclude reaching a mutual agreement – it sets a clear timeline for the outcome the City is expecting.

The RRCA guarantees Hamilton City Council can fulfill its vision for the West Harbour.

(Credit to Dan Lett of the Winnipeg Free Press whose column introduced me to the RRCA. I strongly encourage you to read the column as it inspired this post.)

The RRCA’s requirements for the City are not onerous and most of the time-consuming work to meet them is already complete. Modifications to the West Harbour Secondary Plan and the Barton-Tiffany Urban Design Study can produce the urban development and transportation plans required.

In 2012, a group of citizens gathered – independent of the City – to create their own plans for redevelopment of the CN rail yard which showed a wide variety of people-friendly uses including residential, entertainment, and parks.

A consultant can write a financial plan for relocating CN to the Stelco lands.

With all the documents in place, Council can submit a full application to the Canadian Transportation Agency in 2015.

The RRCA requirements to issue an order are:

  • A urban development plan
  • A transportation plan (which can be part of the urban development plan)
  • A financial plan that does not “impose on any railway company affected thereby any costs and losses greater than the benefits and payments receivable by the railway company under the plan, or confer on any railway company affected thereby any benefits and payments greater than the costs and losses incurred by the railway company under the plan”
The RRCA enables the federal government to fund cost of rail relocation up to 50%.

U.S. Steel Lands Provide Opportunity
The US Steel lands are an ideal location to relocate the rail marshalling yards – it is land located along the CN rail line that does not have any conflicting abutting land uses.

This new location will enable CN to continue their operations without being negatively impacted.

In fact, with better connections to major highways and the ability to build a more modern facility, the new yard could better serve CN’s needs and become a leading inter-modal hub that will improve CN’s bottom line.

White Rock BC – First Use of RRCA Since 1987
The RRCA was used by the City of Regina in 1987 to relocate CN and CP rail yards, and is presently being used by White Rock in British Columbia to force the relocation of a coastal rail line that is dangerous and frustrating public access to their waterfront.

(The City’s “Rail in White Rock” page outlines how disruptive the line has become to the city. This Global News report shows video of the interaction between pedestrians and the railway)

The City hired Mary-Jane Bennett of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy as a consultant to prepare their application. Bennett’s 23-page report to the Council outlines the requirements of the Act, costs of relocation in White Rock, and the timelines expected of the process.

White Rock is being closely watched and, if successful, could spur other communities to use the RRCA to force relocation of urban rail lines – especially as the transportation of hazardous goods is a more prevalent concern after the Lac-Mégantic rail disaster that killed 47 people.

(A search of the CTA and CanLii databases finds no other cases. Bennett’s report states this fact as well.)

The Winnipeg RRCA Debate
Winnipeg is the intersection of Canada’s railway networks and the lines divide the City. (See above map created by the Winnipeg Free Press)

It costs the City of Winnipeg hundreds of millions of dollars in infrastructure to build bridges and underpasses to ensure traffic flows in the City.

With the recent boom in railway traffic, Winnipeg is looking at a $175-million underpass as its top infrastructure priority.

With grade separation taking priority over other infrastructure needs, Winnipeggers are having a serious discussion of spending $1-billion (yes, billion) to use the RRCA to move cross-Canada rail traffic out of the urban area.

The idea is getting traction because it will save Winnipeg hundreds of millions in planned grade separate road work and create urban renewal opportunities across the City as rail lands are converted to other uses.

The Social Planning Council of Winnipeg wrote an extensive report on moving the railways in 2014, but didn’t get as much traction as the current discussion.

The current relocation discussion appears to have originated with Winnipeg businessman Art DeFehr who penned an open statement entitled Rail Location in Winnipeg – Think Bold and Big outlining the opportunities which rail relocation provides for Winnipeg. DeFehr’s proposal received a positive editorial from the WFP editorial board.

The cost of relocating the Stuart Street CN yard is not insignificant, the timelines is likely to be nearly a decade between the RRCA hearing and relocation, and funding will require focused leadership at the local level.

Some of the costs will be recouped from eventual development of the West Harbour CN lands, and improved land values in the new Tiffany-Barton development area.

Hamilton City Council will need to secure a tripartite funding agreement with the provincial and federal government, will have to prioritize municipal funding within the City budget for many years, and have the patience to create a structure to lead the project over multiple Council terms.

Is there the willpower on Council to act on relocating the Stuart Street CN yard? Or will there only be more declarations that this is a priority this this term of Council?
https://www.thepublicrecord.ca/2015...-power-to-order-move-of-west-harbour-cn-yard/
 
Davenport group seeks "pedestrian overpass" into Earlscourt Park
Community groups representing Davenport are pushing to build a pedestrian bridge into Earlscourt Park, which it believes will become a catalyst for transforming the neighbourhood. The groups say a marquee elevated path into the park, along with an extended West Toronto rail path and completed Green Line trail linking five kilometres of green space between Earlscourt and Spadina Road, would create the area’s only continuous walking and cycling connection linking Liberty Village with Davenport and even further north.

Both Davenport city councillors have endorsed the idea, including local MP Julie Dzerowicz.


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I'm confused when they say this will connect to the West Toronto Railpath. It can certainly link to any path underneath the Davenport Diamond flyover, but an extended WTR is still 950 m west along Davenport. It will certainly be 'connected' via bike lanes, but...
 
I'm confused when they say this will connect to the West Toronto Railpath. It can certainly link to any path underneath the Davenport Diamond flyover, but an extended WTR is still 950 m west along Davenport. It will certainly be 'connected' via bike lanes, but...

The proposed path under/beside the Davenport Diamond bridge will go from approximately Davenport to Bloor. There's also a big push to connect that south to Dundas where it would connect to the West Toronto Railpath. The City and Metrolinx have that part on their radars too... Whether it actually happens would likely depend on space.

If you think about it, this stub of a path under the proposed bridge could connect to Earslcourt Park... And then up to the Belt Line via Prospect Cemetery... And beyond. And on the south end to the Railpath to downtown / waterfront.... Etc. If planned right from the start, this could be a key connection in walking/cycling/nature/recreation networks.
 
I can't remember but when do we expect this project to be tendered in 2017? Will something be posted on MERX in the next few weeks or months?

Also, the last I saw, Options for Davenport, the local community group which has expressed concerns about the project, posted this update on February 22, 2017: "Options for Davenport has now sent in the FOI request regarding the budget for the public realm. We expect to hear back from Metrolinx in the next several weeks with the information requested - we will keep you posted!"
 
I can't remember but when do we expect this project to be tendered in 2017? Will something be posted on MERX in the next few weeks or months?

Also, the last I saw, Options for Davenport, the local community group which has expressed concerns about the project, posted this update on February 22, 2017: "Options for Davenport has now sent in the FOI request regarding the budget for the public realm. We expect to hear back from Metrolinx in the next several weeks with the information requested - we will keep you posted!"

The last schedule I saw (in last September's Consultation Presentation ) suggested tendering complete in November 2017. The schedule really backs off from ML's original "have to do this now, in great hurry" rationale which predated all the community pushback. So much for that, the completion date is now 2021 (and not because of the pushback - ML rewrote the schedule)

I believe the FOI thing is about the lack of confidence that ML will actually follow through with vital park and public space improvements which were promised as part of the "enhanced" design. These are scheduled to happen after construction ends.... hence could easily be subject to forgetting or budget cuts by a new austerity minded government.

- Paul
 


Im not too keen on the mirrored finish. That is going to be one large baking hot surface during the summer months. Not to mention the immense task and cost of maintaining the finish over the long term....
I would rather have gone for something more practical over the long term.
 

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