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DRL routing. Where would you put it?
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kkgg7
Banned
That's exactly what I am suggesting. To have the DRL somewhere between King and Queen is a no brainer, which is most likely to happen as well. It will be stupid to make Union a hub for the DRL. I don't know why people tend to anchor on the idea what anything constructed downtown, it has to go through Union Station. Union station is NOT centrally located, and can hardly compete with the King/Queen st, where people actually go as a final destination.
I didn't imply NO ONE will take the subway along anywhere south of Union station, but if an alternative route potentially has 4 times the ridership, I don't see any reason the line should be put south of the city core. The area between Front and Dundas is where people mostly go, no matter whether it is 20C or -20C outside, and no matter whether it is 9 am or 9pm . On the other hand, Queens Quay can never be an equal.
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CDL.TO
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I find it amusing how much people get worked up about this question. It's actually further from Front St to the harbour than it is from Front to Queen. Yet, some people consider a Front street alignment as serving the waterfront, but say it's way too far away to serve Queen.
If I was at Queen and Spadina and the DRL ran along Front street, I would have an 8 minute walk to a station at Front and Spadina, compared to a 10 minute walk to Osgoode.
If I was at Queen and Spadina and the DRL ran along Front street, I would have an 8 minute walk to a station at Front and Spadina, compared to a 10 minute walk to Osgoode.
kkgg7
Banned
what are you talking about. If the DRL runs on Queen or Richmond, there will be a station at Queen or Richmond/Spadina, and you won't even have to walk from Queen/Spadina, will you?
jwill
Active Member
I think his point is that a Front alignment would still be beneficial to King, Queen, etc. Though I would suggest that a Queen alignment is beneficial for Front, and the waterfront will be capably served by its own streetcars/LRT.
CDL.TO
Moderator
Missed the "If ... the DRL ran along Front street" part?
kkgg7
Banned
I thought we were comparing two ifs, the DRL runs on Front, or Queen. Maybe I misunderstood you.
Dan416
Senior Member
Maybe?
Palma
Senior Member
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/York_1804_Hale.jpg
This photo shows Front St fronting Lake Ontario shoreline in 1804. Of course through landfill Front St no longer fronts Lake Ontario, a new street - Queens Quay does now. So who is to say in another 100-150 years with more landfill, that there won't be further streets south of Queens Quay and more neighbourhoods, nevermind new businesses - meaning a subway at Front Street makes sense, unless of course you will hit water by digging that deep - kind scary
This photo shows Front St fronting Lake Ontario shoreline in 1804. Of course through landfill Front St no longer fronts Lake Ontario, a new street - Queens Quay does now. So who is to say in another 100-150 years with more landfill, that there won't be further streets south of Queens Quay and more neighbourhoods, nevermind new businesses - meaning a subway at Front Street makes sense, unless of course you will hit water by digging that deep - kind scary
jwill
Active Member
"So who is to say..."
The billions of dollars worth of lakefront real estate says that there will be no more landfill, or at least no more building development.
The billions of dollars worth of lakefront real estate says that there will be no more landfill, or at least no more building development.
Paleo
Active Member
Gotta source those kooky ideas for Unbuilt Toronto 3 from somewhere!
Not to mention a greater sensitivity to environmental impacts. The amount of environmental studies required to create new land would be enormous!
Palma
Senior Member
I do not see billion dollars worth of lakefront real estate presently.
kkgg7
Banned
me neither. lakefront is still not as desirable as the real downtown, or midtown.
I believe the Gardiner and the railtracks have permanently devalued any lakefront land.
AKS
Senior Member
Talk to the builders about that. Have you seen the crazy prices they're asking for pre-con? East Bayfront prices are starting at $700 psf and up. Ice was asking $550 psf starting in 2008. Tridel will probably be asking over $700 psf next year when it comes out. You make it sound like Yorkville is the only desirable area cuz it's asking at $1000 psf.
When I mean summer, I mean spring/summer. It starts getting busy around May and slowly dies in late Sept. It peaks for 3 months when it's busy the whole day. The trains are worst when CNE opens. However the rest of the year the trains are busy during rush hours mostly.