Does end of USA embargo of Cuba = end of Redpath Sugar on Queens Quay?

[jaborandi]

That's odd because Cuba doesn't ship sugar here.

He never specified how many years ago. Perhaps he was a cabin boy.

 

[W. K. Lis]

He never specified how many years ago. Perhaps he was a cabin boy.

He grew up.

 

[Juan_Lennon416]

If there was a plan to expand Sugar Beach, build a park or build affordable housing, I can see many people in this city jumping on the 'get rid of Redpath' bandwagon in a hurry.

 

[Translude15]

This is my understanding...

The Redpath Refinery is owned by American Sugar Refining Inc. (an American company, if it wasn't obvious, so they weren't allowed to do business with Cuba anyway). The US sugar market is heavily protected though the form of heavy tariffs on foreign imports and quotas. If there is a sugar shortage in the US and tariffs or quotas are relaxed, ASR has the ability to quickly import refined sugar into the USA through their strategically located refinery in Toronto.

Redpath's importance to its owner means that it's not likely to be going anywhere soon.

(Again, just my understanding of the situation.)

That is pretty much spot on. Additionally, if ASR rids itself of Redpath, they open themselves up to their main competitor in the central Canadian marketplace (Rogers/Lantic) taking over their market share. I do work in this industry and can say that ASR/Redpath's market share is not insignificant.

 

[FNTS]

I don't know if this means anything, but there is an article on Torontoist called "Tomorrowland: Previewing Toronto’s Architecture of the Future", and it features a rendering of a series of buildings on the Redpath site. The article itself doesn't say anything about the site or the rendering. Any ideas of what this could be?

http://torontoist.com/2015/06/tomorrowland-previewing-torontos-architecture-of-the-future/

EDIT: It's part of a concept by WZMH Architects
https://twitter.com/WZMHarchitects

 

[Admiral Beez]

I don't know if this means anything, but there is an article on Torontoist called "Tomorrowland: Previewing Toronto’s Architecture of the Future", and it features a rendering of a series of buildings on the Redpath site. The article itself doesn't say anything about the site or the rendering. Any ideas of what this could be?

http://torontoist.com/2015/06/tomorrowland-previewing-torontos-architecture-of-the-future/

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EDIT: It's part of a concept by WZMH Architects
https://twitter.com/WZMHarchitects

Sheesh... another condo.

Can't we have any non-desk jobs on the waterfront? We have a working port with rail connections, do we really want to replace all that with more condos? http://www.portstoronto.com/Port/About-Us.aspx

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

It's not anything - see http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showth...-the-Future-Exhibit-at-Metro-Hall-June-1-to-5

AoD

 

[Admiral Beez]

It's not anything - see http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showth...-the-Future-Exhibit-at-Metro-Hall-June-1-to-5

AoD

Ah, thanks. Still, why is every hypothetical Toronto of the future a Shanghai-like wall of glass condos?

 

[DarnDirtyApe]

Ah, thanks. Still, why is every hypothetical Toronto of the future a Shanghai-like wall of glass condos?

Because it looks cool in a rendering and mainstream architecture is intellectually bankrupt... clearly it's more important to put residences beside a body of water because it's looks cool than to preserve the ability of ships to bring us food. In the future, all of life's necessities will be produced in China or the 905, or somewhere else we never go because it doesn't have fancy condos or a waterfront promenade. Goods will be delivered via LRT because we ripped out all the freight lines and tore down the highways to build more condos.

EDIT: I see that the Gardiner still exists in that render view of the future, so perhaps I was too harsh.

 

[dowlingm]

Sheesh... another condo.

Can't we have any non-desk jobs on the waterfront? We have a working port with rail connections, do we really want to replace all that with more condos? http://www.portstoronto.com/Port/About-Us.aspx

The rail along QQE into Redpath is removed, and several of the Gardiner East renders "disappeared" the Harbour Lead line into the east portlands too...

 

[Gabinator]

I rather have enjoyed the exclusitivity of the Canadian & Cuban friendly relations. Going to suck as the years go by and U.S consumers and producers starts putting a wrench in our benefits from being one of Cuba's previously few "capitalist" allies.

 

[muller877]

This is my understanding...

The Redpath Refinery is owned by American Sugar Refining Inc. (an American company, if it wasn't obvious, so they weren't allowed to do business with Cuba anyway). The US sugar market is heavily protected though the form of heavy tariffs on foreign imports and quotas. If there is a sugar shortage in the US and tariffs or quotas are relaxed, ASR has the ability to quickly import refined sugar into the USA through their strategically located refinery in Toronto.

Redpath's importance to its owner means that it's not likely to be going anywhere soon.

(Again, just my understanding of the situation.)

The US does heavily subsidize (and place import duties) on the sugar industry. You see a significant portion of the candy sold in the US is now being produced in Montreal and region (NAFTA permits a sugar tariff but not a prepared goods tariff as I understand it).

The bigger changes that will come to the worldwide production of sugar (and cotton for that matter) is if the US reduces/eliminates the subsidies and tariffs for these products. Will help developing countries but harm US agriculture in the short term. But as I understand even the Asian trade negotiations right now are keeping this regime alive.

....a second note for US sugar/cotton subsidies. It actually is part of the cause of the California water consumption problem. The producers in the US South would rather produce subsidized cotton/sugar even though the land is well suited for vegetables and almonds.