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Boycott Dove

dt_toronto_geek said:
Is continuing to lose more manufacturing jobs really cause for celebration or am I missing something here?
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These strikers seemed pretty belligerent. Their shantytown was really nasty looking, and they had signs everywhere threatening scab laborers (including some sort of tire-puncturing device). Several signs were affixed to the Don Roadway infrastructure and recreational trail. It looked like Windsor or Oshawa or something.

They parked their nasty American cars beside the recreational trail, so each time I rode to the Beaches I had to look at their grey Pontiac G6 and electric blue PT Cruiser. Uuuugh. The horror.

One of their signs said "Korex Lofts coming Spring 2009", which could actually turn out to be quite accurate! The factory itself is in a similar style to Broadview Lofts at Broadview & Eastern, which itself is a fantastic conversion.

EDIT Added picture of the site pre-strike, as below.
 

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Oh you poor f***er you had to look at american cars while riding your bike.
 
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Gabe do you really need to cuss people out for no reason?
Just relax pal.

Dove Soap is fine, as long as they test it on animals first , we as humans will be ok.
 
kEiThZ said:
That's extremely condescending. A lot of new grads don't make anywhere close to that. And in this market there are science, engineering and business grads that aren't making that.[/QUOTE

Stats Canada suggests otherwise but you can believe what you want, just don't insult me while doing so ok. BTW all that recession is over baloney you go on about yet you use the current market to support your argument? Is the recession over or what? What day is it?
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^Unemployment lags the business cycle somewhat. Beyond that, I doubt StatCan has any results to support your position that entry level jobs for average university grads is well in excess of $50k. If you think that's the case, feel free to provide the evidence.
 
Not every sector can afford to pay 50,000+ salaries to even experienced people. Non-profit employees (and yes, some people do get paid to work at charities) rarely make that much.
 
afransen said:
^Unemployment lags the business cycle somewhat. Beyond that, I doubt StatCan has any results to support your position that entry level jobs for average university grads is well in excess of $50k. If you think that's the case, feel free to provide the evidence.
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Average starting salary from Laurier's BBA business program (an above average program) is about $45K. Regular bachelor of arts grads would make less.
 
This in National Post today:

"The new owners of the Unilever site, near the mouth of the Don River, which made Sunlight and Dove soap products for more than a century, say they plan to transform the sprawling former factory into an office park for thousands of workers.

David Gerofsky, chief executive of First Gulf Corp., which bought the 14-hectare site from Unilever Canada in a deal announced Thursday, said that he wants to reuse the 225,000 square-foot factory building for offices, and lease out the 200,000 square-foot warehouse for warehouse uses, and build more office buildings on the site, so that, in a few years, as many as 4,000 workers will find jobs on the site.

“It will be a really big community for various business and employment-type uses,” he said.

A Lever Brothers of Britain opened a factory in 1890 on the bank of the Don River in Toronto. For more than a century workers made soap here, including Sunlight and Dove products. In 2002 Unilever, the Anglo-Dutch conglomerate, sold the factory (but not the land) to Pensler Capital Corp. of Princeton, N. J., owned by Sandford Pensler. Mr. Pensler renamed the company “Korex.” He froze workers’ wages. They lost their Unilever pensions. In 2008, Mr. Pensler offered a contract which workers said stripped seniority and benefits. About 160 workers walked out; in August, 2009, Korex Don Valley declared bankruptcy.

Mr. Gerofsky compared his plans for the Unilever site to the method his firm has used to transform the Toronto Sun building, which first Gulf bought two years ago and has transformed, adding a No Frills, an LCBO, two banks and now bolting 100,000 square feet of space to the roof as a new head office for Coca-Cola Canada."

National Post
 
kEiThZ said:
That's extremely condescending. A lot of new grads don't make anywhere close to that. And in this market there are science, engineering and business grads that aren't making that.
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Meanwhile at my plant in Markham we can't find qualified engineering or business grads would want to work their way up the ladder. I don't know what happened, but today's 20ish grad thinks he should be making top dollar and be on the executive track out of the gate, with benefits like flextime, etc and gawd help you if you tell them no Facebook or iPods at their desk. We pay good money but the 20ish grads stay a year or two.
 
Admiral Beez said:
Meanwhile at my plant in Markham we can't find qualified engineering or business grads would want to work their way up the ladder. I don't know what happened, but today's 20ish grad thinks he should be making top dollar and be on the executive track out of the gate, with benefits like flextime, etc and gawd help you if you tell them no Facebook or iPods at their desk. We pay good money but the 20ish grads stay a year or two.
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Thats because there are companies out there that will offer those benefits to grads who just stepped out of college or university. It may be a competitive job market for people looking for jobs, but its also quite a competitive market out there for employers who are looking for employees.

I am lucky enough to work for a company where benefits are equal for everyone no matter how long you have worked there, and our benefits beat out most of the competition's benefits. The base pay is slightly under industry average, but the benefits more than make up for that. I guess it depends what people are looking for. I can easily go work for the competition, which offers way better base pay, but I would be missing out on the benefits I currently have. Its also important to note that in todays job market, moving around is the only way to move up. Times have changed quite a bit.
 
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