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407 Rail Freight Bypass/The Missing Link

Here again are most of the pertinent clauses of the Relocations Act (some are further detailed elsewhere,

That's all well and good, but one has to note that the whole Winnipeg idea was merely a study which emerged shortly before, and disappeared shortly after, the last Provincial election in Manitoba

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...ask-force-on-moving-rail-lines-382273451.html

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...-to-rail-relocation-task-force-382165231.html

I'm sure Mr Charest is enjoying some nice business lunches with David Collenette, musing about how things come and go so quickly.

Just looking at the map of Winnipeg, and reading about what would have to be studied and considered just to get to a proposal stage, I would venture to say that Halton's Missing Link is much further along than anything in Winnipeg. We do have preliminary engineering, geotechnical data, etc etc. That's not to say that the railways wouldn't turn up to discuss the idea, but in Manitoba there is no plan so they don't even have a bargaining agenda at this point.

I do think CN will make a meaningful effort to put forward its requirements to build the bypass. Whether ML can meet those, and how much room they have to horsetrade, remains to be seen. The statutes you cite may inform that discussion, but I doubt either party wants to hash this out in court. Nor does Ontario or Ottawa want to impose these things under threat of legal action. The railways have too many other issues that leverage the government. (like grain shipment). Nobody wants to fire that first shot, even if the law allows it. Every action has its reaction.

- Paul
 
The reason that Winnipeg's study was stopped was due to the cost to the city:
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Statement on the Provincial Government Halting the Rail Relocation Study
September 9, 2016
[...]
Winnipeg businessman Art DeFehr, a supporter of rail relocation, has estimated the costs of relocation at $1-billion and the Federal Government’s Rail Relocation Act commits to covering 50% of the net costs of relocation. But a reasoned debate needs concrete numbers and plans that only experts and a study can deliver. [...]
https://robert-falcon.liberal.ca/ne...government-halting-the-rail-relocation-study/

Note that Mississauga et al via the IBI study have estimated $5B. I suspect it will be twice that. It will still make economic sense.

This consortium thing is, with respect, pure fantasy. CP and CN have declared that they want control of their own tracks. That's how railways are. A bypass will have to give CP its own line, and leave CN with control over its own dispatching.

"pure fantasy"? Hardly. Examples already exist, and Hamilton is now examining it too:

Federal Law Gives Council Power to Order Move of West Harbour CN Yard
The cost of relocating the Stuart Street CN yard is significant, the timeline is likely to be nearly a decade, and funding will require focused leadership at the local level.

By Joey Coleman
Published May 20, 2015

As cities across Canada engage in urban redevelopment and moving disruptive railways, a dormant piece of powerful legislation is returning to the spotlight: legislation which gives Hamilton City Council the power to finally move the Stuart Street marshalling yard along Hamilton's West Harbour waterfront.

The federal Railway Relocation and Crossing Act (CanLii version) enables municipalities to apply to the Canadian Transportation Agency for an order to move railways and yards - provided the municipality pays and relocation does not harm the viability and finances of the railway. [...]
https://www.raisethehammer.org/arti...l_power_to_order_move_of_west_harbour_cn_yard

It has been used in the past, examples were posted, and it will again in the future, doubtless, if need be. I have stated prior a number of times "Carrot and Stick". I've also stated a number of times: "An offer they can't refuse".

We'll be seeing details emerge on the Missing Link shortly...
[...]
RRCA Requirements, Urban Planning, and Funding
The RRCA's requirements for the City are not onerous and most of the time-consuming work to meet them is already complete. Modifications to the West Harbour Secondary Plan and the Barton-Tiffany Urban Design Study can produce the urban development and transportation plans required.

In 2012, a group of citizens organized, independent of the City, to create their own plans for redevelopment of the CN rail yard, which showed a wide variety of people-friendly uses including residential, entertainment, and parks.

A consultant can write a financial plan for relocating CN to the Stelco lands. With all the documents in place, Council can submit a full application to the Canadian Transportation Agency in 2015.

The RRCA requirements to issue an order are:

  • A urban development plan
  • A transportation plan (which can be part of the urban development plan)
  • A financial plan that does not "impose on any railway company affected thereby any costs and losses greater than the benefits and payments receivable by the railway company under the plan, or confer on any railway company affected thereby any benefits and payments greater than the costs and losses incurred by the railway company under the plan"
The RRCA enables the federal government to fund cost of rail relocation up to 50 percent.

White Rock BC - First Use of RRCA Since 1987
The RRCA was used by the City of Regina in 1987 to relocate CN and CP rail yards, and is presently being used by White Rock in British Columbia to force the relocation of a coastal rail line that is dangerous and frustrating public access to their waterfront.

(The City's "Rail in White Rock" page outlines how disruptive the line has become to the city. This Global News report shows video of the interaction between pedestrians and the railway.)

The City hired Mary-Jane Bennett of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy as a consultant to prepare their application. Bennett's 23-page report to the Council [PDF] outlines the requirements of the Act, costs of relocation in White Rock, and the timelines expected of the process.

White Rock is being closely watched and, if successful, could spur other communities to use the RRCA to force relocation of urban rail lines - especially as the transportation of hazardous goods is a more prevalent concern after the Lac-Mégantic rail disaster that killed 47 people.

/static/images/lac-meganticraildisaster.jpg Lac-Megantic Rail Disaster (Image Credit: Sûreté du Québec/Wikipedia)

A search of the CTA and CanLii databases finds no other cases. Bennett's report states this fact as well.

The Winnipeg RRCA Debate
Winnipeg is the intersection of Canada's railway networks and the lines divide the City. The following map of rail lines in Winnipeg was created by the Winnipeg Free Press:


It costs the City of Winnipeg hundreds of millions of dollars in infrastructure to build bridges and underpasses to ensure traffic flows in the City.

With the recent boom in railway traffic, Winnipeg is looking at a $175-million underpass as its top infrastructure priority.

With grade separation taking priority over other infrastructure needs, Winnipeggers are having a serious discussion of spending $1-billion (yes, billion) to use the RRCA to move cross-Canada rail traffic out of the urban area.

The idea is getting traction because it will save Winnipeg hundreds of millions in planned grade separate road work and create urban renewal opportunities across the City as rail lands are converted to other uses.

The Social Planning Council of Winnipeg wrote an extensive report on moving the railways in 2014, but didn't get as much traction as the current discussion.

The current relocation discussion appears to have originated with Winnipeg business person Art DeFehr who penned an open statement entitled Rail Location in Winnipeg - Think Bold and Big.

It outlines the opportunities that rail relocation provides for Winnipeg. DeFehr's proposal received a positive editorial from the WFP editorial board.

Funding Relocation in Hamilton
The cost of relocating the Stuart Street CN yard is not insignificant, the timeline is likely to be nearly a decade between the RRCA hearing and relocation, and funding will require focused leadership at the local level.

Some of the costs will be recouped from eventual development of the West Harbour CN lands, and improved land values in the new Tiffany-Barton development area.

Hamilton City Council will need to secure a tripartite funding agreement with the provincial and federal government, will have to prioritize municipal funding within the City budget for many years, and have the patience to create a structure to lead the project over multiple Council terms.

Is there willpower on Council to act on relocating the Stuart Street CN yard? Or will there only be more empty declarations that this is a priority during this term of Council?

First published on The Public Record. Licenced under Creative Commons CC-BY-SA.
https://www.raisethehammer.org/arti...l_power_to_order_move_of_west_harbour_cn_yard
 

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Neither CN nor CP have a presence in Ottawa today.
Walkley Yard
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Walkley Yard
was built in 1955 by the National Capital Commission to relocate the Canadian National Railway yard, to make way for construction of the Queensway. The northerly part was later acquired by the current owner Canadian Pacific Railway in 1967, when they moved from LeBreton Flats. An OC Transpo facility was added in 2001 to allow indoor servicing for the O-Train Trillium Line's diesel-powered fleet. The Canadian National and Ottawa Central Railway still occupy the southerly portion of the freight yard.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkley_Yard

Operating Agreement: Ottawa Terminal Area
[...]
Yes, 20 years ago to the day, Canadian National Railways and Canadian Pacific Railway signed an operating agreement that reshaped the face of rail operations in the greater Ottawa area. The Ottawa Terminal Area, a product of joint negotiations between the CNR, the CPR, and the National Capital Commission (an arm of the Federal Government), was created and its functional existence is documented in legal terms within the guidelines of the Joint Trackage Operating Agreement. This Agreement, which actually took effect on October 1, 1967 prior to its formal signing, completed the final stages of the Federal Government's railway relocation program in the National Capital Region.

The following will focus on most of the key provisions of the Agreement with emphasis placed on such items of interest: the geographical limits and internal subdivisions of the Terminal Area; cost-sharing arrangements between the two Railways as they pertained to both passenger and freight operations; the maintenance of track facilities and associated structures within the Terminal Area; and a look at industrial switching, with consideration given to the interswitching procedures agreed to by both Railways.

The Agreement makes several references to the Ottawa Subdivision which at the time of its signing extended from Hawthorne in the east, through Ottawa Station westward to Nepean Junction. In 1976 the Ottawa Subdivision lost its separate identity, becoming part of the Alexandria Subdivision east from Ottawa Station, and part of the Beachburg Subdivision west from Ottawa Station. As a means of assisting the reader in identifying locations referred to in this study, your author has included present day Alexandria and Beachburg Subdivision equivalent mileages in parentheses, following those mentioned in the Agreement. Also included in the same manner is other relevant information considered to be of assistance or general interest to the reader. On occasion one can also expect to find conclusions, derived by your author after an examination of all information made available to him, with consideration given to historical developments that have occurred during the past 20 years.
GENERAL
In general terms the Ottawa Terminal Area consists of all main, passing, team, yard, siding, and industrial tracks, stations, buildings, structures, and other Railway facilities owned exclusively or jointly by the Canadian National Railways and the Canadian Pacific Railway, including any industrial yard or siding tracks which are located on or adjacent to the Terminal Area described as follows:

- the land bounded on the north by the south bank of the Ottawa River (beginning at a point where the Rideau River flows into the Ottawa River, westward to a location near Rocky Point, just past today's Andrew Haydon Park in Nepean);
- on the west by a line due north of mileage 16.10 of the Ottawa Subdivision (mileage 12.40 Beachburg Sub. just west of Bell's Junction), to the south bank of the Ottawa River (near Rocky Point);
- on the south by the most southerly boundary of the Ottawa Subdivision from mileage 16.10 (mileage 12.40 Beachburg Sub.) to Wass, including the connection to the Carleton Place Subdivision, to mileage 8.00 (approximately Hoodie Drive); the most southerly boundary of the Walkley Line from lass to Hawthorne, including the connection to the Prescott Subdivision to mileage 5.25, ind the connection to the Alexandria Subdivision to mileage 72.40; a direct line Iron Hawthorne (mileage 72.40) to mileage 12,50 of the M&O Subdivision;
- on the east by the most easterly boundary of the M&O Subdivision from mileage 82.50 to tellleage 83.50 (the west junction switch near Superior Propane off Innes Road); and the lost easterly boundary of the Ottawa Subdivision from mileage 1.87 (mileage 74.60 Jlexandria Sub. at the west Junction switch of M&O Junction to Ottawa Station) and on to the Rideau River; thence along the Rideau River to the south bank of the Ottawa River (the point of beginning). [...continues at length...]
http://www.railways.incanada.net/Circle_Articles/Article_Farand01.html
 
That's all well and good, but one has to note that the whole Winnipeg idea was merely a study which emerged shortly before, and disappeared shortly after, the last Provincial election in Manitoba

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...ask-force-on-moving-rail-lines-382273451.html

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...-to-rail-relocation-task-force-382165231.html

I'm sure Mr Charest is enjoying some nice business lunches with David Collenette, musing about how things come and go so quickly.

Just looking at the map of Winnipeg, and reading about what would have to be studied and considered just to get to a proposal stage, I would venture to say that Halton's Missing Link is much further along than anything in Winnipeg. We do have preliminary engineering, geotechnical data, etc etc. That's not to say that the railways wouldn't turn up to discuss the idea, but in Manitoba there is no plan so they don't even have a bargaining agenda at this point.

- Paul

The idea of moving "all" rail lines out of the city was very much an idea floated by the NDP before the last election, probably in the hopes that it would spark a few imaginations and get them some support back. Before that no one had even mentioned the idea, let alone the need to commission a study on it.

There are two big issues people have with the rail lines. The first is the lack of grade separation on major routes which can cause half hour or more waits as multiple trains can pass in a row before the track is clear to cross again. Some of the worst offenders (in politically "important" neighbourhoods) are being addressed so that should temper the public discussion of it for a few years.

The second is the location of the CPR yards in the city, which separates the downtown and north end. They require bridges to cross them, one of which is nearing the end of its life in a few years. They are a big divide in the city and a lot of people would love to see them moved out to the newly built, and failing, Centrepoint district. Many people also see it as an opportunity to reclaim a lot of that land and build new housing and commercial buildings and help reinvigorate the downtown and north end. But it would be hugely expensive to do and while people living in those areas like the idea, the only people in the rest of the city who are really behind it are those in real estate who no doubt hope for another classic Winnipeg land giveaway that would help them make fist fulls of cash.

It'll be at least 20 or 30 years more before Winnipeg starts to seriously look at moving some of the rail lines and the CPR yard out of the city. In terms of urban planning, and transportation policies, Winnipeg is at best in the same spot that Toronto was in late 80's.
 
It'll be at least 20 or 30 years more before Winnipeg starts to seriously look at moving some of the rail lines and the CPR yard out of the city. In terms of urban planning, and transportation policies, Winnipeg is at best in the same spot that Toronto was in late 80's.

Since you mention this, perhaps you heard of the 'Gardiner Expressway moment' that Winnipeg is having right now. They are debating whether to allow pedestrians to cross a major downtown intersection (see google map). I kid you not, this radical idea that pedestrians should be allowed to cross the street has been highly divisive and controversial for them. Even the councillors who support it say it must be done carefully...it's possible to overthink this. Not that it matters much anyway, as this city is too far gone to be saved in terms of planning.


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bu...-all-of-Winnipeg-368990821.html#have-your-say
Make sure to see the comments section!

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Accessed the pic no problem, but have had a real problem with WinFreePress lately, they want you registered to access direct links to articles. Any chance of supplying the article title so that Google can get me in?

That intersection is a horror story visually. And would be even worse to drive, let alone cycle or walk across.

The article text is posted on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Winnipeg/comments/469gdt/pedestrian_traffic_at_portage_main_would/d03blgw/

As for the intersection, yes it's really bad. Just like pretty much every major road in Winnipeg. I did some exploring in google maps, and holy moly their roads make Mississauga look pedestrian friendly in comparison.
 
As for the intersection, yes it's really bad. Just like pretty much every major road in Winnipeg. I did some exploring in google maps, and holy moly their roads make Mississauga look pedestrian friendly in comparison
Thanks for saving me Google viewing Winnipeg. I've never been there, flown over it many times...and it appears I've missed little.

It's a bit like having a bum leg, complaining about it, then seeing someone with no legs and in a wheelchair. Nothing in Toronto comes close to that, well...lol...maybe the 401...but nothing in arterial roads.
From the text in that forum:
"At that time the property owners have the legal authority to unilaterally enact another 40-year closure agreement.". Maybe United Airlines could give them some hints on stifling those questioning authority?
 
Since you mention this, perhaps you heard of the 'Gardiner Expressway moment' that Winnipeg is having right now. They are debating whether to allow pedestrians to cross a major downtown intersection (see google map). I kid you not, this radical idea that pedestrians should be allowed to cross the street has been highly divisive and controversial for them. Even the councillors who support it say it must be done carefully...it's possible to overthink this. Not that it matters much anyway, as this city is too far gone to be saved in terms of planning.


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bu...-all-of-Winnipeg-368990821.html#have-your-say
Make sure to see the comments section!

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I didn't read the comment section but I am going to take a guess it can be summarized as "OMG! Won't someone think of the cars!!"

This intersection is not a nightmare for cars. In fact I route myself through that intersection all the time. Yes, opening it up to pedestrians would slow down traffic a bit, but not even close to turning it into some sort of nightmare scenario. Opening the intersection could have hugely positive impacts on the downtown area and would make that part of the core much more enjoyable, lively, and connected. But few people think of downtown as someplace people live and genuinely enjoy. It's all about maintaining the flow of traffic and keeping suburbanites entertained and happy when they dare venture in.

I know this has all strayed from the topic at hand of the freight bypass. But since Salsa brought it up I just thought I would say that he offered perhaps the best example of just how resistant to pro-urban policies Winnipeg is. And why something as big, and dare I say progressive, as moving the CPR rail yards is many decades from ever being a serious proposal, let alone happening.
 
There are a few more details in this recent article about the bypass:
  • “The first step is a new 30-kilometre corridor (between Bramalea and Milton) to bypass CNs existing track, so that we can build capacity,” said Gord Troughton, Metrolinx director of corridor infrastructure.
  • That work alone will require up to 35 new bridges for road and water crossings, including significant crossings of Highways 401 and 410, the modification and/or relocation of up to 17 hydro towers and up to 3.4 kilometres of major gas lines, as well as the construction of 60 km of new track.
  • Updated: A total of 60 kilometres of new track would be laid (two tracks at 30 kilometres each), a new signal system is required and a new grade separation would be built where the new bypass meets the existing rail corridor.
  • Enhanced two-way rail service will also require a second 52-km track between Kitchener and Georgetown, a fourth track between Mount Pleasant and Union Station, a new tunnel under Hwy. 401 to accommodate more track on the Kitchener line, as well as other system-wide upgrades for signalling and communications systems and renovations to existing GO stations.
  • But planning is underway according to Metrolinx chief communications and public affairs officer Judy Pfeifer, who said the necessary resources are being secured with dedicated staff teams and ongoing talks with CN.
  • According to a rough timeline presented by Metrolinx, securing the necessary permits and approvals, including an environmental assessment, should take approximately three years. Procurement, construction and commissioning are expected to take about four years more.
  • While an environmental assessment is now underway to electrify the Kitchener line between Bramalea and Highway 427, the Kitchener line west of Bramalea can’t be electrified until the new train corridor is built. That will require an additional environmental assessment.
  • “Until things are sorted out with CN, any date that we would put to you, we couldn’t guarantee that we would make it,” Burke said.
I've updated the post to include an additional point mentioned in an article about the same meeting posted by another publication here. I assume the grade separation referenced would be here near the Bramalea GO Station.
 
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There are a few more details in this recent article about the bypass:
Excellent heads-up. The first article, being a Metroland one, leaves one to wonder why the TorStar didn't carry it?

I'm sorry to remain such a cynic on the deal with CN alone being the one that will happen.
"While an agreement in principle with CN Rail for the bypass has been reached, a formal agreement is still needed." Which is exactly my point months back. CN is calling the shots on this, because no-one's sitting at the table with the Federal powers at hand (Relocations Act, etc). The Feds *must* be involved in this, or CN will just keep raising the odds, and ML will comply, or at least allude to.

At the same time ML is claiming to be negotiating this, and making promises they know they can't keep, they're arguing with CN over the Brampton section. It just doesn't add up as claimed.
 

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