sixrings
Senior Member
damn i miss TC
Why will they have to give up bus service? We don't even know how much operating loss will be for an extended Sheppard. Numbers can be made to justify any plans. Did numbers from previous rapid transit plan (i.e. Network 2011) prove the need for rapid tansit on Sheppard? And it (STC) is not just "a mall", although they could make better pedestrian connections to some of those buildings to the east of McCowan, but that's another topic.That's your own concoction. Try everyone not on Sheppard. How many people in Etobicoke, western North York, or southern Scarborough would be willing to give up that much bus service so that a mall gets a second rapid transit line that will be underutilized and lose tons of money? Downtowners wouldn't be the only ones questioning it.
Is Finch East really the busier of the two streets (not talking about the bus routes)? I can't quite remember the frequency of buses on Shppard prior to the subway opening.As for Finch, current peak scheduled service is ~2700pph and almost one quarter of that is only between Yonge and Seneca College... and Finch is the busier of the two streets. The regular bus and express are both more frequent compared to Sheppard. Why did we build a subway under Sheppard again?
No, actually. I'm not sure we can agree that Sheppard will eventually be extended to Downsview.
No, actually. I'm not sure we can agree that Sheppard will eventually be extended to Downsview.
Between Eglinton and a high capacity LRT on Highway 7, both of which have more political capital behind them, the cross-town connection for Sheppard is very limited business case wise.
Heck, once Eglinton is built we're expected to have about 5,000pphpd on Bloor in excess capacity. Heavy East/West capacity will be a very low priority. This could change if GO starts running 10 minute frequencies all day as that massively increases North/South Capacity and Sheppard would be feeding GO rather than just the Yonge/Spadina.
Honestly, I don't see Sheppard to Downsview being the best expenditure of transit capital dollars for at least 50 years.
Was on the 401 today (on the GO bus), the traffic in the section between Yorkdale and Yonge is unbelievably bad and something needs to be done urgently. I know Sheppard West is not the busiest of bus routes (Finch West and Wilson are busier) but definitely there seems to be a lot of potential demand from Yonge to Downsview along Sheppard.
I think you're wrong. Part of the reason the Spadina extension was built was to reach York University. The 196 Rocket is heavily used and part of that line (The B branch) goes to Sheppard-Yonge.
I agree something is needed but Sheppard between Yonge and Downsview will not reduce traffic on the 401. There are near zero destinations in that area that people on the 401 are driving to.
Frankly, I think 10 minute all day frequencies on Lake Shore GO would have more impact on 401 usage than Sheppard West to Downsview; but I'm not aware of any studies on this.
Sheppard Avenue West is a gridlock nightmare between Yonge street and Keele Street.
2-Sheppard Avenue West is growing very fast. Single houses are being destroyed to be replaced by mid-rise condos between Bathurst and Allen Road and that without the subway.
4-People working in the University Avenue Area and west of that same Avenue coming from North East Scarborough would skip Sheppard Yonge Station to go straight to Dowsview...This would help the Yonge line
how would a all day lakeshore go line help the 401. wouldnt it be more likely to help QEW
407 transitway would undoubtedly be by far the most useful 401 reliever for long distance trips. Unfortunately the existing 407 express buses are all very poorly designed for non-York students; all the buses terminate at York U, and people coming from the west must transfer to GO 51/52/54 to go further east toward Richmond Hill Centre, and to TTC 60C/196B to get to North York Centre. The express buses from NYCC to SQ1/Oakville/Milton via the 401 are very limited in number and very slow due to heavy 401 congestion. A Yonge extension to Highway 7 and extending all the 407 West buses to Richmond Hill would make this route far more useful.
Then eventually it could be extended west to Jane (lots of low income housing here) and east to Scarborough Centre.
The spadina extension would technically push a sheppard subway almost close to Keele...the road ends at Weston. No point in sending any more subway down there...if you've seen Sheppard past Keele, you know there will never be subway type ridership there.
In the long term it would be best if the sheppard line as it approached downsview, curves into a south-west direction with a platform adjacent to the current station but either below or above it because the tracks cannot intersect each other...
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Then the line would emerge outside and cut right through the Wilson yard on the western boundary (The way the Spadina cuts through the eastern boundary) and dip underground and curve once again into an east-west subway line under Wilson Ave.
Wilson Ave has far greater potential to be gentrified and has the ridership to support a subway line. This line could go up to Jane and Wilson.
In the extreme Long-term The line could then continue down Wilson and then down Albion and diagonally slice through Etobicoke intersecting with every major artery and diverting ridership from all routes.
It is very realistic that riders from Weston Rd, Islington, Kipling, and Martin Grove would switch to a diagonal subway to make their way downtown...via Jane.
Also in the Extreme Long-Term A jane subway from Bloor or Eglinton to Wilson would be a great connector and most probably the western leg of the DRL.
Wouldn't it be cool if you could take a subway from Albion Mall to Scarborough Town Centre? I know its nothing more than a dream but just sayin'