nfitz
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The proposed Sheppard East spacing is far greater than the 512.
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WislaHD
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I wish I knew some magic website that allowed you to draw sophisticated lines on a map, but I just slaved away on Paint.Net for an hour.
Anyway to answer your question, this route is potentially cheaper than DRL to Sheppard and prevents the need to convert Sheppard Subway into LRT.
We could potentially do the same thing with the proposed Jane LRT, have it interline with Eglinton in the west.
innsertnamehere
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Google earth is your friend. Big maps, fast. I can draw out a map like that in 5 minutes. Well, without stop names.
denfromoakvillemilton
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That's fair, but a subway would actually pull people off Yonge-University line, with a larger capacity of course. But the interlining option I like. I always thought the Jane LRT could be connected to the crosstown as well. I think it would relieve the Weston buses as well.
Thanks. Will consider for next time.
ehlow
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How many times have we said that Sheppard & Finch LRTs are faster and have much wider stop spacing than both St Clair and Spadina? At least 5 times I think.
It will probably never sink in. I don't like inaccurate information floating around, but it's probably useless to keep correcting and correcting. I should probably give up.
I wish people would argue against LRT using real facts, which you can do, rather than inaccurate and untrue statements like "they are as slow as the existing bus" "they are as slow as St Clair or Spadina".
nfitz
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]5? There was page after page after page of it in 2009 or so ...
ehlow
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Wow so it is really useless.
The thing is, it's pretty easy for anybody to verify. You can just go to google maps, and check existing stop spacing by doing "directions to/from" from one stop to the other. It tells you the distance.
You can do that for existing routes like St Clair or the current Sheppard East bus. Then you do the same thing for the LRT stations to compare.
You can also pretty find the average speeds of routes online, and the average speed in the EAs for the given route.
ksun
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I wasn't implying it would be as slow as st Clair but density along Sheppard is also much lower. So basically both lines have an equal percentage of unnecessary stops. (About 1/3-1/2)
Essentially the spacing shown in the Shepard LRT is about the same as what central Paris or Manhattan's density justifies yet we have it along Sheppard - very suburban built form.
Sometimes I do want a subway there not because it is necessary but because it is the only way to be expensive enough for ttc not to have that crazy number of stops.
dowlingm
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The Danforth station was dropped basically when De Baeremaeker wanted to reduce the delta between SRT and subway below a specific number.
By the way, this might be interesting to those who have been following GDeB's dreams of a High Line along the SRT structure:
By the way, this might be interesting to those who have been following GDeB's dreams of a High Line along the SRT structure:
Hopkins123
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Since no one seems to have done it yet, I've decided to take John Tory's SmartTrack plan graphic and expand upon it using Google Earth, just to show what it realistically could look like:
I've added minor extensions to both ends and added a lot of infill stations to make the line more useful to the communities it passes through. I'll post maps of how the SmartTrack plan would look when included with the other rapid transit lines soon.
I've added minor extensions to both ends and added a lot of infill stations to make the line more useful to the communities it passes through. I'll post maps of how the SmartTrack plan would look when included with the other rapid transit lines soon.
the lemur
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I may have missed something in the DRL thread, but what is the ratio of viaduct to surface to tunnel in the valley? What would we see in, say, Riverdale Park?
RyanM12
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Here's my fantasy map; nothing that hasn't been done before. Full DRL, full Eglinton, and Scarborough, Yonge, BD west, and Sheppard West extensions. Everywhere else can be LRT/BRT.
And here's my long term, pie-in-the-sky, 100-year-plan idea. 11 lines branching to each suburb, creating a dense inner-city network.
And here's my long term, pie-in-the-sky, 100-year-plan idea. 11 lines branching to each suburb, creating a dense inner-city network.
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Here's my latest GO REX map. The biggest change I made on this map is switching from having the colouring be line-based, to being based on the service type. This means that all main GO REX lines are green, all GO REX Toronto lines are red, and all GO+ lines are blue. I find it's a much easier way to display the various lines, especially coming into Union, which would otherwise be an absolute spaghetti of lines (10 GO lines by my count).
The content of the map is pretty similar to what I've shown on my previous maps, with only a few minor alterations. Some of the changes are:
1) Addition of GO+ branch to Cambridge via the Kitchener line.
2) Addition of Peterborough GO+ line (low priority, but worth showing none the less).
3) Addition of a GO REX line on the Barrie line, allowing for a more express-style GO+ service all the way from Barrie.
Let me know if you have any questions/comments!
Link:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43869799/GO REX v7.jpg
The content of the map is pretty similar to what I've shown on my previous maps, with only a few minor alterations. Some of the changes are:
1) Addition of GO+ branch to Cambridge via the Kitchener line.
2) Addition of Peterborough GO+ line (low priority, but worth showing none the less).
3) Addition of a GO REX line on the Barrie line, allowing for a more express-style GO+ service all the way from Barrie.
Let me know if you have any questions/comments!
Link:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43869799/GO REX v7.jpg
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salsa
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Line E21 and E2 are so much better than the Scarborough subway, and could probably be built for the same amount of money from the city. But unfortunately, logic has no place in election-based transit planning.
Agreed. If that GO REX configuration becomes a reality, the Scarborough Subway becomes completely redundant. And yes, the cost would probably be pretty similar. The Province is paying for all of the E3 GO REX, so really all that needs to be funded using Scarborough Subway funds is from the split to Malvern. The ROW is already there, because it would be the same as for the SLRT.