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Riverhouse at The Old Mill
30 Old Mill Rd, Toronto
Developer: Lanterra Developments
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    Default Riverhouse at The Old Mill (Santek/Lanterra, 11s, P+S/IBI)

    The following quotes originally appeared in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlvinofDiaspar View Post
    From Etobicoke York:

    Old Mill Inn Expansion:
    www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mm...e-1252.pdf

    Yuck.

    AoD
    Quote Originally Posted by interchange42 View Post
    Old Mill Expansion: Faux Chateau. Can't they keep their hysterical historical references in line with the Mock Tudor/English Cottage thing going on across the street? This is not EPCOT people! One faked-up old-world country at a time please!

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    Well, months later, things are moving on this project. If you're in the mood for some classic NIMBY squawk, read on, from the Etobicoke Guardian:

    Residents' group rejects condo bid

    Converting existing parking lot 'no real impact': councillor

    BY TAMARA SHEPHARD
    FEBRUARY 7, 2008 02:45 PM

    A 10-storey condominium proposed to be built on a portion of The Old Mill's parking lot could threaten the integrity of the city's new Official Plan, as well as parkland across Toronto, says an area residents' group.
    The critical issue is the requirement of an Official Plan (OP) amendment to change the nearly 12,000-square metre site's designation from "Parks and Open Space Areas - Natural Areas" to "Apartment Neighbourhood," say opponents.
    But the local councillor disagrees, and says developing the parking lot has no real impact.
    "If we continue to make exceptions to the Official Plan... at the end of the day, the Official Plan will stand for nothing," said John Boudreau of Old Millside Residents' Association, an area located just across the Humber River.
    "It makes it open season on every ravine in the city of Toronto. It sets a bad precedent, whereby a developer could build a condo in other protected areas in the city."
    Santek Investments Inc., which represents the owners of The Old Mill, need an OP and zoning amendment to complete its plans to build an 84-unit condo with four-storey underground garage with 218 parking spaces.
    City staff recommend approval of the development, proposed for the upper parking lot on Old Mill Road across the street from The Old Mill, just west of the Humber River.
    A public meeting on the proposal is scheduled to come before Etobicoke York Community Council at the Etobicoke Civic Centre on Tuesday at 6:30 p.m.
    The Old Millsiders have urged members of residents' groups in neighbouring Kingsway, Bloor West Village, Swansea, Baby Point and Warren Park to attend and to speak at Tuesday night's meeting.
    Removal of a total of 322 trees - 58 of them wider than 10 centimetres at 'breast height' - is considered "only a slight impact" to environmental features of the property, the report states.
    Boudreau disagrees, and called it 'thin information': "I'd like to see the corresponding evidence from Toronto and Region Conservation Authority and (city) urban forestry saying that this is acceptable."
    Local Ward 5 (Etobicoke-Lakeshore) Councillor Peter Milczyn called it "a good project," this week.
    "On the surface if you read the report, it sounds dastardly, like parkland is being converted into a condo," Milczyn said. "But in reality, it's a parking lot. It doesn't really have an impact.
    "If it was a woodlot or green space, I wouldn't support it. But it's a parking lot."
    The relatively small size of the project is not likely to generate excessive traffic, Milczyn said, a concern of neighbouring residents.
    Residential intensification is appropriate for the site, located perhaps 60 metres from Old Mill Subway station, say Milczyn and city planners.
    Boudreau doesn't see it. "Why do people go to The Old Mill? To see a condo, or to see The Old Mill as it was, the Humber River valley and salmon going upstream?"
    Community benefits from the proposal recommended by city staff include $500,000 for park improvements in the area, and $100,000 for heritage improvements along the Humber River valley, the final report indicates.


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    I don't think this would be too intrusive in the neighbourhood. It's a very short walk to the subway, and as such it's a location which seems suitable for intensification. It's also somewhat in keeping with the two condos recently built right at Old Mill and Bloor, which I think are assets to the neighbourhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interchange42 View Post
    Boudreau doesn't see it. "Why do people go to The Old Mill? To see a condo, or to see The Old Mill as it was, the Humber River valley and salmon going upstream?"
    Er, hey, bucko, you can't see The Old Mill as it was no more, the owners sacrificed it on behalf of Disney at the beginning of this century ago...

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    Update from the Etobicoke Guardian:

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    Condo to rise on parking lot

    Council approves community consultation on project's site plan

    February 14, 2008 03:43 PM
    TAMARA SHEPHARD

    A 10-storey condominium proposed to be built on The Old Mill's upper parking lot got the green light this week despite opposition by residents' groups.
    The Etobicoke York Community Council voted Tuesday night to grant Old Mill owners Official Plan and zoning amendments to build an 84-unit condo with a four-storey underground garage with 218 parking spaces.

    "I appreciate people's dislike, but this type of application is not dealt with lightly by staff or council," said local Ward 5 (Etobicoke-Lakeshore) Councillor Peter Milczyn, after 13 residents addressed the committee in opposition to the project.

    Councillors adopted Milczyn's amendments to permit community consultation on the project's site plan - not normally a public process - for landscaping and streetscaping to address traffic safety concerns, as well as the detailed design of ecological features.

    Santek Investments Inc., which represents The Old Mill owners, want to build the condo in part to resolve its longstanding parking shortage. During peak periods, patrons routinely park on Old Mill Road, and in neighbouring parking lots.

    Opponents charge that granting approval to change the city ravine-protected site's OP designation from "Parks and Open Space Areas - Natural Areas" to "Apartment Neighbourhood" could threaten ravines across the city.

    "If the city continues to violate the spirit and intent of the Official Plan then the Official Plan will stand for nothing," said John Boudreau of Old Millside Residents' Association, an area located on the east side of the Humber River.

    "It will be open season on ravines across the City of Toronto."

    Madeleine McDowell, representing the Humber Heritage Committee and the Swansea Historical Society, defended the Humber River Valley.

    "'Open Space' is not empty waiting to be filled," she said. "This is not in the common good of the people. The valley is the neighbourhood, much more than Bloor Street."

    But commenting agency Toronto and Region Conservation Authority and councillors disagreed.

    The application met two TRCA tests: it demonstrated no risk of flooding on the site or adjacent sites, and actually would replace a parking lot on 3,500-square metres with 10,000 square metres of plantings down the river valley, Steven Heuchert, TRCA's manager of development planning and regulation said yesterday in an interview.

    "In an ideal world both of the parking lots would be reverted back to green space," Heuchert said. "You would replace the development impacts there now, due to the parking lots, with a forest lot or wetland habitat.

    "But realistically, that's not going to happen... We try to get the best we can, while ensuring our basic principles are covered."

    Boudreau questioned why city staff and councillors defend the Official Plan on some applications, and not others.

    Recently, the city and a Kingsway residents' group fought - and lost - an Ontario Municipal Board battle over Dunpar Developments Inc.'s proposed seven-storey condominium in an area where the Dundas West Avenue Study dictates five storeys. The project also included the purchase of three neighbourhood houses.

    The two applications represent completely different planning contexts, Milczyn said.

    "While (Dunpar's application) was about an extra floor and pushing the building of a few houses into the neighbourhood, the next application might want to take more houses out of the neighbourhood, might want more extra floors or several buildings with several extra floors.

    "Over time, it could result in hundreds and hundreds of extra units, and a completely different look to that area rather than what the vision was," Milczyn said in an interview Wednesday, adding it has implications for how other avenue studies across Toronto might be treated.

    By comparison, The Old Mill condo decision isn't likely to have a domino effect on other city ravines, Milczyn said.

    "The Old Mill application is one single, unique, isolated site," he said. "What happens on that doesn't really set a precedent for any neighbouring sites, additional sites along the Humber (River) and likely not on any or many sites anywhere else within the city."

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    This project was approved last night by Toronto City Council....

    from today's Star..

    APPROVED:

    A 10-storey condo on a parking lot near the Old Mill subway station. Councillor Peter Milczyn said 322 trees to be sacrificed on the site are mostly small and don't fall under the tree protection bylaw, and some are non-native species forestry officials would like removed.

    "It's a condo on a parking lot within 200 metres of one of the least-utilized subway stations in the city," said Milczyn, adding a 23-storey condo tower is nearby.

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    "It's a condo on a parking lot within 200 metres of one of the least-utilized subway stations in the city," said Milczyn, adding a 23-storey condo tower is nearby. I must say, that's pleasantly blunt. Good for him.

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    Page and Steele is designing this one for Lanterra Developments.

    The Riverhouse at the Old Mill.

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