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GOP Plans House Vote On Iraq Pullout

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WASHINGTON -- House Republicans are looking to put Democrats on the record when it comes to the war in Iraq.

They're going to let the House vote on an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces in Iraq proposed Thursday by an influential Democrat who had originally supported the war, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa. The GOP-controlled House is expected to reject the resolution in a vote Friday night as lawmakers finish up work and head home for Thanksgiving.

Murtha's resolution would force the president to withdraw the nearly 160,000 troops in Iraq "at the earliest predictable date." His proposal pushed the war of words between critics of the war and its backers to new heights.

Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., accused Murtha of "waving the white flag of surrender."

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., jumped to Murtha's defense, saying he "won't stand for the swift-boating" of Murtha. That's a reference to last year's presidential campaign, when a group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth challenged Kerry's war record.

Kerry said it is wrong for Republicans who never wore their country's uniform to question Murtha, who is a decorated veteran.

Meanwhile, White House national security adviser Stephen Hadley said the president respects Murtha as a veteran and a "great leader" of Congress, but thinks he's wrong.

Hadley is accompanying Bush at the summit in South Korea. Hadley said he doesn't see how an immediate pullout would achieve any of the U.S. objectives.

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if they vote to pullout, anything bad that happens will be blamed on them.

if they vote to stay, they are gonna face some angry voters next election.
 
The Republicans won't allow the motion to pass anyway - it is more symbolic than anything.
 
I think it was wrong to go in the first place but it isn't going to fix anything by leaving early with everything a complete mess. Pass a resolution that appologizes for going in the first place, don't pass a resolution to run away from the mess you created. If the US does a full pullout do you think the UN would be forced to clean up that mess?
 
katrina, rita, new orleans, iraq, wmd's, etc, etc.. nothing can bring them down.

the republican party is IMO the most intelligent party that ever existed. they have everything worked out. even when something doesn't go their way, in the long run, they direct the outcome to benefit them. they know exactly what mask to wear and what to say. they can get away with anything. they know which ends to tie up and which ones to leave loose.

they are locked in good. they're not going anywhere any time soon.

even this was an understatment.
 
Lawmakers Reject Immediate Iraq Withdrawal

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago

WASHINGTON - The House on Friday overwhelmingly rejected calls for an immediate troop withdrawal from
Iraq, a vote engineered by the Republicans that was intended to fail. Democrats derided the vote as a political stunt.


"Our troops have become the enemy. We need to change direction in Iraq," said Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania, a Democratic hawk whose call a day earlier for pulling out troops sparked a nasty, personal debate over the war.

The House voted 403-3 to reject a nonbinding resolution calling for an immediate troop withdrawal.


"We want to make sure that we support our troops that are fighting in Iraq and
Afghanistan. We will not retreat," Speaker
Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said as the GOP leadership pushed the issue to a vote over the protest of Democrats.

It was the second time in less than a week that
President Bush's Iraq policy stirred heated debate in Congress. On Tuesday, the Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to lay out a timetable for withdrawal.

Murtha, a 73-year-old Marine veteran decorated for combat service in Vietnam, issued his call for a troop withdrawal at a news conference on Thursday. In little more than 24 hours, Hastert and Republicans decided to put the question to the House.

Democrats said it was a political stunt and quickly decided to vote against it in an attempt to drain it of significance.

"A disgrace," declared House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "The rankest of politics and the absence of any sense of shame," added Rep. Steny Hoyer (news, bio, voting record) of Maryland, the No. 2 House Democrat.

Republicans hoped to place Democrats in an unappealing position — either supporting a withdrawal that critics said would be precipitous or opposing it and angering voters who want an end to the conflict. They also hoped the vote could restore GOP momentum on an issue — the war — that has seen plummeting public support in recent weeks.


Democrats claimed Republicans were changing the meaning of Murtha's withdrawal proposal. He has said a smooth withdrawal would take six months.

At one point in the emotional debate, Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, told of a phone call she received from a Marine colonel.

"He asked me to send Congress a message — stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message — that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said. Murtha is a 37-year Marine veteran.

Democrats booed and shouted her down — causing the House to come to a standstill.

Rep. Harold Ford (news, bio, voting record), D-Tenn., charged across the chamber's center aisle screaming that Republicans were making uncalled-for personal attacks. "You guys are pathetic! Pathetic!" yelled Rep. Marty Meehan (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass.

Democrats gave Murtha a standing ovation as he entered the chamber and took his customary corner seat.

The fireworks, as lawmakers rushed toward a two-week Thanksgiving break, came just days after the GOP-controlled Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to lay out a timetable for withdrawal. Spotlighting questions from both parties about the war, senators approved a statement that 2006 should be a significant year in which conditions are created for the phased withdrawal of U.S. forces.

Murtha has proposed his own resolution that would force the president to withdraw the nearly 160,000 troops in Iraq "at the earliest practicable date." It would establish a quick-reaction force and a nearby presence of Marines in the region. It also said the U.S. must pursue stability in Iraq through diplomacy.

The Republican alternative simply said: "It is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately."

"It's just heinous," Rep. Ellen Tauscher (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., said of the Republican move.

"This is a personal attack on one of the best members, one of the most respected members of this House and it is outrageous," said Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass.

Rep. Duncan Hunter (news, bio, voting record), R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, however, said the resolution vote was not a stunt. "This is not an attack on an individual. This is a legitimate question."

"They've been itching for a fight for a long time," Rep. Marsha Blackburn (news, bio, voting record), R-Tenn., said of the Democrats.

Bush, traveling in Asia, also fired back at his critics, saying a troop withdrawal would be "a recipe for disaster."

Most Republicans oppose Murtha's call for withdrawal, and some Democrats also have been reluctant to back his position.

Aware of the scene unfolding across Capitol Hill, Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), R-Va., chairman of the
Senate Armed Services Committee, appealed for "bipartisanship on the war in Iraq, instead of more political posturing."

A growing number of House members and senators, looking ahead to off-year elections next November, are publicly worrying about a quagmire in Iraq. They have been staking out new positions on a war that is increasingly unpopular with the American public, has resulted in more than 2,000 U.S. military deaths and has cost more than $200 billion.

A U.S. field commander in Iraq countered the position of the congressman who usually backs the
Pentagon.

"Here on the ground, our job is not done," said Col. James Brown, commander of the 56th Brigade Combat Team, when asked about Murtha's comments during a weekly briefing that American field commanders give to Pentagon reporters.
 
well lets add to that list. they control ALL media in the US (aside from a tiny percentage of independent media that has emmerged in the past few years). Corruption is unlike anything I have ever seen (indictments are handed out to Federal and State Senators, and Govenors, and Congressmen on what seems like a daily basis. Rising poverty. Lower real income. Jobs leaving the country. Unpreparedness for rising oil. Decrease in citizens civil rights. Prisons filling up faster in the United States. Torture. Loss of social services. Greater gap between rich and poor. Greater racial divide. Less science, more bible. Increasing privatization.

And when look deeper into all these issues and the many, many others, well, its wild.

I want to be positive. I want to think that Democrats and Independents and Progressives and Liberals are getting their act together and something is going to change. But the Republicans and Business Class have spent 30 years to create the system we see. And well, a machine this big isnt going to be stopped that easy. Really, what we are seeing, is not the end, but just the beginning.

Edit: And lets not forget about election fraud. If there is one aspect of this whole crazyness that doesnt even get the attention that it should even from progressives, its voter fraud, which, is really quite unbelievable to think that they can get away with what they do.
 
and there you have it.

that was the biggest double edged sword if i've ever seen one.

the republicans know what they're doing. the dems look like they're all talk now - without a backbone.
 
the republicans know what they're doing. the dems look like they're all talk now - without a backbone.

Thats an understatement. Can anyone say Jeb Bush in '08? How about a draft in '09?
 
you said it good.

it's a tree whose roots spread deep and far, even the most serious drought has no effect and a forest fire will only thin out clutter an allow the seeds to germinate.
 
All you need is recession and you'll see the pendulum swing in the opposite direction very fast. Canada is not immune this either... History has shown time and time again that this kind of sentiment goes in cycles. On that note, one has to point out that the Democrats are hopelessly disorganized and devoid of any ideas.
 

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