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Wrigley's to close their Toronto factory

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Wrigley's will be closing their Toronto factory near Leslie & Eglinton where they produce some of their chewing gum lines like Excel and Juicy Fruit. This will eliminate 383 jobs at this location. It's an unfortunate move which was economically driven. This also leaves a fairly large plot of land which I'm curious what will take its place come next year.

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http://www.newstalk1010.com/news/2015/02/03/update-wrigley-to-close-toronto-gum-factory

Wrigley's statement below:

Today we regret having to announce a tough decision that impacts a number of our great Canadian associates. As part of a supply chain reorganization in North America, we have made the very difficult decision to close our Wrigley Toronto gum factory in March 2016. Despite recent improvements in the gum category and increased productivity in our supply chain network, it has not been enough to offset declines in the gum category over recent years.

Mars' commitment to Canada remains unchanged, employing more than 1,200 associates in sales, marketing and manufacturing across our four business segments. We will continue to operate a Wrigley Canada head office and invest in our Canadian business, including Excel, Canada's number one gum brand.

As the leader in gum, we are committed to returning the category to sustainable growth. With 80 percent of the factory's volume being produced for the U.S. marketplace, our long-term needs will be best met by our two facilities in the U.S. We plan to move production from Toronto to our Gainesville, Georgia facility.

Our priority is supporting the 383 associates directly impacted, and while today there is little we can say to make this easier, we sincerely thank them for their outstanding service. We will offer a lengthy period of working notice, favorable severance packages, career transition support, reasonable paid time off to attend job interviews and counselling.

Another article from the Toronto Star: http://www.thestar.com/business/2015/02/03/wrigley-closing-toronto-gum-factory-in-march-2016.html
 
If this trend of America becoming Canada's China (isn't that an ironic thing to say) continues, I'd say nothing.

Ontario is definitely losing its advantages for US-owned companies, as I mentioned earlier on the Real Estate forum.

In the USA, the UAW has assumed the cost of health care for its employees, thus eliminating one benefit of outsourcing American work to Canada. Also, with Right to Work being in place in many States, the hourly cost of labour is much less competitive in Ontario. Even though 80% of Wrigley's gum was shipped to the USA, the huge currency exchange advantages made no difference.

The days of depending on USA-own branch plants for Ontario jobs is coming to an end. We need to find something else to do with regards to productivity and if possible manufacturing beyond depending on American branch operations.

Quebec seems to know what they're doing as far as manufacturing jobs, with Bombardier, BRP and Quebecor making product there from locally owned firms, as opposed to dependence on USA-branch plants. Quebec is a mess in other regards such as deficit and corruption, but they do a good job making stuff in Quebec owned firms.

Not that the Ontario govt isn't trying to keep jobs here http://www.investinontario.com/business-advantages
 
Was the Wrigley plant unionized? It's not mentioned in the Star article.

It doesn't help that the Ontario and Toronto governments generally see businesses as a cash cow - see the industrial property tax rate (with education portion). Industrial properties should have a much lower rate to reflect that there are no people living in them.
 
Ontario is definitely losing its advantages for US-owned companies, as I mentioned earlier on the Real Estate forum.

In the USA, the UAW has assumed the cost of health care for its employees, thus eliminating one benefit of outsourcing American work to Canada. Also, with Right to Work being in place in many States, the hourly cost of labour is much less competitive in Ontario. Even though 80% of Wrigley's gum was shipped to the USA, the huge currency exchange advantages made no difference.

The days of depending on USA-own branch plants for Ontario jobs is coming to an end. We need to find something else to do with regards to productivity and if possible manufacturing beyond depending on American branch operations.

Quebec seems to know what they're doing as far as manufacturing jobs, with Bombardier, BRP and Quebecor making product there from locally owned firms, as opposed to dependence on USA-branch plants. Quebec is a mess in other regards such as deficit and corruption, but they do a good job making stuff in Quebec owned firms.

Not that the Ontario govt isn't trying to keep jobs here http://www.investinontario.com/business-advantages

Is that bolded part a unique Quebec phenomenon?
 
Hahaha... I love the fact y'all were able to sidestep my Pollyanna-ish harangueing on this subject by starting a new thread and ignoring the Timmy's thread.

Still, relax. Ontario and Toronto are amazing job-producing machines. Although we will never again produce horrible, cheap chewing gum in one of the most desirable neighbourhoods in Toronto. <deep sigh. Wipes tear.>
 
Good factory jobs are still important to have. Not everyone has the ability to work in finance, health care or software.
 
Good factory jobs are still important to have. Not everyone has the ability to work in finance, health care or software.

Packaging gum is not a good factory job.

My brother-in-law was a chemical engineer for L'Oreal factories in France, designing and implementing the machines that mixed and bottled the shampoo, etc. His was an interesting engineering job and he spent a bunch of time in each plant -- but he was at HQ, and there were really very few interesting jobs in the factories, in his opinion. And that would have been a pretty good step up from branch plant packaging of gum.
 
RRR:

With increasing automation, the interesting jobs for manufacturing (at this point mainly high-value manufacturing, but I can see it percolating downward) would be troubleshooting and maintenance of said machines. Direct manual labour will be a dead end even if the jobs lost oversees are repatriated.

AoD
 
Not to veer off course into a general manufacturing discussion, but here's a recent CBC article on this very issue:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/r...cturing-labour-costs-in-next-decade-1.2951431

Robots expected to slash manufacturing labour costs in next decade

In Canada, robots will cut labour costs by 24 per cent by 2025, Boston Consulting Group says

The Associated Press
Posted: Feb 10, 2015 9:28 AM ET
Last Updated: Feb 10, 2015 11:07 AM ET

Robots are getting cheaper. The cost of owning and operating a robotic spot welder, like this one in the Volvo plant in Dublin, Va., has tumbled from $182,000 in 2005 to $133,000 last year, and will drop to $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says.

Cheaper, better robots will replace human workers in the world's factories at a faster pace over the next decade, pushing labour costs down 16 per cent, a report Tuesday said.

The Boston Consulting Group predicts that investment in industrial robots will grow 10 per cent a year in the world's 25-biggest export nations through 2025, up from 2 per cent to 3 per cent a year now. The investment will pay off in lower costs and increased efficiency.

Robots will cut labour costs by 33 per cent in South Korea, 25 per cent in Japan, 24 per cent in Canada and 22 per cent in the United States and Taiwan. Only 10 per cent of jobs that can be automated have already been taken by robots. By 2025, the machines will have more than 23 per cent, Boston Consulting forecasts.

Robots are getting cheaper. The cost of owning and operating a robotic spot welder, for instance, has tumbled from $182,000 in 2005 to $133,000 last year, and will drop to $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says.

And the new machines can do more things. Old robots could only operate in predictable environments. The newer ones use improved sensors to react to the unexpected.

Reprogramming faster than retraining

In a separate report, RBC Global Asset Management notes that robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more efficiently than humans can be retrained when products are updated or replaced — a crucial advantage at a time when smartphones and other products quickly fade into obsolescence.

"As labour costs rise around the world, it is becoming increasingly critical that manufacturers rapidly take steps to improve their output per worker to stay competitive," said Harold Sirkin, a senior partner at Boston Consulting and co-author of the report. "Companies are finding that advances in robotics and other manufacturing technologies offer some of the best opportunities to sharply improve productivity."

Boston Consulting studied 21 industries in 25 countries last year, interviewing experts and clients and consulting government and industry reports.

The rise of robots won't be limited to developed countries with their aging, high-cost workforces. Even low-wage China will use robots to slash labour costs by 18 per cent, Boston consulting predicts.

Increasing automation is likely to change the way companies evaluate where to open and expand factories. Boston Consulting expects that manufacturers will "no longer simply chase cheap labour." Factories will employ fewer people, and those that remain are more likely to be highly skilled. That could lure more manufacturers back to the United States from lower-wage emerging market countries.
 
RRR:

With increasing automation, the interesting jobs for manufacturing (at this point mainly high-value manufacturing, but I can see it percolating downward) would be troubleshooting and maintenance of said machines. Direct manual labour will be a dead end even if the jobs lost oversees are repatriated.

AoD

Agreed. When most people (and not necessarily talking about you, CPN1) talk about 'good factory jobs', they're talking about skilled machinists, tool & die workers, etc. Those jobs don't exist anymore -- factory work is mostly shifting boxes these days. And a plant like Wrigley's will not be missed.
 
Agreed. When most people (and not necessarily talking about you, CPN1) talk about 'good factory jobs', they're talking about skilled machinists, tool & die workers, etc. Those jobs don't exist anymore -- factory work is mostly shifting boxes these days. And a plant like Wrigley's will not be missed.

And frankly, how long can even shifting boxes remain a valid blue collar position given the advances in robotics and dronetech?

AoD
 
And frankly, how long can even shifting boxes remain a valid blue collar position given the advances in robotics and dronetech?

AoD

Honestly, this is the key ... and it'll happen everywhere ... but of course in developed countries much faster ... may as well suffer the loss now and move on ..

Of course there will still be employment, but it'll be incredibly inefficient, one factory of this size maybe employing 10 people ... not much of a point of holding on to that.
 

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