Journalists are not required to reveal sources, and rightfully so, but their reputation as a news source is on the line.
They better be right more often than wrong or believable, "government sources reveal that the earth is flat" will not probably appear in your newspaper anytime soon for obvious reasons even though it is attributed to a reliable source.
I am a little concerned that some on this thread feel that the onus is on the accused to prove their innocence.
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Let's see if Mr. Ford decides to sue CBC for slander or libel, I forget which one. I doubt he will, only because the actual contents of the tapes will have to be released, and whatever he actually said is unflattering.
In any case, why should Rob Ford release tapes of him making an ass of himself? So, maybe he didn't call someone a name, but he did confess to saying the "F-word". Imagine what pranksters can do with that? Like he needs more ridicule.
However, I don't think any of this really matters. His supporters are willing to look the other way with respect to his behaviour. We all know what Rob Ford is like.
Besides, does anyone really believe that Bill Blair would lie for Rob Ford? Even if Ford actually said what the CBC alleges, the chief of police actively lying and covering it up would be way worse - it may even be a criminal offense. There's no way he would stick his neck out like that.
The only claim the CBC made is that they were contacted by sources at Police Services regarding 911 calls made by the mayor, that quoted what the mayor said.the burden of proof is on the CBC as the one making the claim. Its not on Ford or Blair to offer up proof to refute the claim.
And since it has been well established that the mayor did make the calls (the main problem), and that he did use inappropriate language on those calls (an additional problem), we can conclude that the CBC has adequately established the story and that there was a source.
As for what was said verbatim, it is up to those who have the proof to establish it. Since it seems that the CBC does not have a copy of those tapes, and the police appear to have their hands tied about publicly releasing them, but say the mayor holds the ability to have the tapes released, then the only way to "prove" what was said, lies within the hands of the mayor.
So...we have an un-named source within the police claiming the mayor said certain things, and a mayor saying he didn't say those certain things (with Blair "sorta" trying to defuse the situation).
So we have multiple un-named police sources vs a proven pathological lier....neither can claim they are above reproach.
The mayor is the only one who can prove what he is disputing, yet chooses not to do so. There's only one reason he would do that....he knows that whether he said "b*tches" or "I'm effing Rob Ford" or not, is irrelevant to the fact that it will make him look bad.
I do tend to agree with those who dismiss this as mostly irrelevant. Either you're someone who doesn't like Ford's character -- and this incident only emphasizes why -- or you're someone who has been willing to ignore a litany similar incidences, many of them worst than this.
To put in another way: if you were okay having a mayor who lied about a DUI, called a colleague a 'waste of skin', has been continually cited by the Integrity commissioner for... not having integrity, & who told a woman at a hockey game that she should go to Iran and get raped and shot, you're probably also okay with having a mayor who told a 911 operator that he was Rob Fucking Ford, bitches.
What he said or didn't say is materially irrelevant.
BTW, since when is saying "Wrongo Bongo" name calling? Ford defenders: considering who you're defending, you really need to develop thicker skin. This is the same public office holder who (1) gets drunk in public and screams obscenities and nonsense at people he doesn't know, and then lies about it, (2) was arrested for beating his wife, (3) was arrested for driving drunk, (4) was arrested for narcotics possession, (5) violated and continues to violate election finance laws, (6) lies extensively about his education, (7) thinks it's a compliment to refer to "orientals" as "dogs" ... oh, FFS, do I need to go on? Again, I don't blame him for being a so mentally deficient, I blame us (well, not me) for electing him. But I also blame those, like you, who think his schtick is, in any way, defensible. He's a piece of shit on so many levels. His actions are inconsistent with his rhetoric, and his rhetoric is grade 1 level pablum. Why not just walk away (like most of the people who voted for him) and pretend you had nothing to do with it? It doesn't get better, and it certainly won't end well.
I don't think Blair getting involved has anything to do with Ford at all...he's just trying to diffuse an internal issue that has negatively effected his department.Bliar said Fraud didn't say "Bitches". Bliar did not say whether Fraud said "Bitch". If Fraud called someone a "Bitch", Bliar's statement digs Fraud out of a hole without lying.
And he's choosing his words very carefully...he doesn't say no one from police services contacted the CBC with that information, he says.... "There have been no complaints by any members of the TPS about the 9-1-1 conversations.". That just means no formal complaint has been filed within the police department against verbal abuse from a 911 caller (if there is even such a process).
It is in both Ford's and Blair's best interest to have this blow over as soon as possible. That's why Ford is just walking away from it. And that's why releasing the tapes is not something he would want to do.