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Thread: September 11th: Real or Fraud?

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    You're the one going on about a conspiracy. Start providing the evidence. Verifiable evidence.

    Get to it already.


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    September 11th: Fraud

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    "Conspiracy theorists who are claiming that we really didn't kill Bin Laden must be reminded that they didn't think he committed the crime in the first place. Come on nut-jobs, keep your bullsh*t straight. The towers were brought down in a controlled demolition by George W. Bush to distract attention from Hawaii where CIA Operatives were planting phoney birth records so that a Kenyan named Obama could someday rise to power to pretend to take out the guy that we pretended took out the towers."
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    I can of much better quotes from out founders like "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it" Because growing up we are pretty much all told the one story and it's the one that comes out of the education system through propaganda and in the media etc.. So we are all given a curtain view of how the world works etc. But remember that our government has the power to manipulate things like the media and the education system and so on.

    So you are absolutely sure that there's generally nothing wrong with the power structure? Consider this narrow minds: Politicians have already admitted to having staged the event that started the Vietnam war which caused the deaths of 58,000 of even more lives of the Vietnamese people.

    Did you also know that Hitler attacked one of his own buildings and propagandized his people to think it was his political enemies who attacked him? Oh but we live in the United States! that couldn't happen here! so I'm just going to keep believing the government controlled mainstream media and the corrupt education system without checking outside sources first! You won't even check them let alone consider them. Oh also after the alleged 'attack' He created something called "motherland security" that was like Homeland Security that was used to justify taking peoples freedoms away.

    Here's another thing to consider not that I think your narrow minds have the ability to be open minded: In history and currently most countries governments and politics propagandize their people to think what they want them to think.

    Oh, and I have another question for the brainwashed: Why is that when Obama got into office, he went back on all his promises of change like bring the troops home, lower taxes, take away the corrupt regulations that kill small businesses and benefit big corporations, get rid of corrupt laws etc.. And continued the EXACT agenda that bush bush had? He sent more troops, added more wars, put in more regulations, raised taxes, added more corrupt laws, helped out his rich friends on wall-street etc..

    Oh! but we're in Canada! Oh wait a minute.. we voted Stephen Harper back in who was giving big corporations tax breaks, adding regulations and doing other things that we're sending productive producers away from our counter.. Still don't get it? Our governments are owned by the same big corporations! Don't you ever wonder why even though presidents/PMs change up that things never seem to really change for the better? Other than technology, everything has been getting worse?

    See this is what I mean, until you guys learn how to get past the fake reality that all the propaganda and media etc. lead you to believe, you'll never be able to get a grip on reality and you'll be stuck in this narrow-minded way of thinking. I'm sorry that 9/11 was staged but the quicker people wake up to the truth the quicker we can get rid of the power structure and the politicians who are responsible for this.

    It makes it kind of hard for me to take the arguments seriously because even though you guys seem to be smart people, at some point you've become over-confident in yourselves when it comes to learning important things and expanding your minds. Don't get me wrong you're all smart, but it's not all about things like being smart or having a lot of money. You guys have given into a lot of corruption that has affected society is really bad ways and is only getting worse.

    Here's another question: Why are all our personal freedoms being taken away from us? Something that our for fathers warned us about?

    So go ahead keep believing everything the propaganda machine tells you... Believe that Osama was killed on May 1st after he had been reported dead almost 10 years ago then reported dead another times years later by other sources that are more reliable than our government.

    EDIT: In the end, all I can do is help wake people up to the truth. And I'm never asking you to take my word for it. All I'm asking is that you be open-minded and do your own research before buying into the governments/corporations propaganda.

    Please watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5KyWxU-bkg

    He's pretty much the one of very few politicians who isn't a sociopath. Unfortunately sociopathic politicians depend on weak minded people who will buy their propaganda.
    Last edited by Kamuix; 2011-May-09 at 11:12.

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    No. No one is going to watch your imbecilic you tube videos that prove nothing.

    Governments use propaganda? Wow, thanks, I had no idea! Now I know for sure 9/11 was carried out by the US government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamuix View Post
    In the end, all I can do is help wake people up to the truth. And I'm never asking you to take my word for it. All I'm asking is that you be open-minded and do your own research before buying into the governments/corporations propaganda.
    Kamuix, if you are going to presume that you are in the business of supposedly waking people up to the truth, you ought to have a firm grasp of what truth is. Based on the utter lack of credible, verifiable evidence to support your claims, you have no basis upon which to speak about "truth." It's also clear that you still want other people to go and do what you consistently fail to provide: research composed of substantive and corroborative facts. Objective truths or verifiable facts are not made up of mere opinions like yours. If you want to chit-chat about your personal paranoia and general hatred for anyone who threatens your closely-held fears, go right ahead. But just call it what it is: your fears and paranoia. There is no truth being discussed here by you - none whatsoever. Maybe it's you who should finally wake up to this reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamuix View Post
    Did you also know that Hitler attacked one of his own buildings and propagandized his people to think it was his political enemies who attacked him?
    The jury's still out on the Reichstag fire, though the most credible sources I've been exposed to suggest that Van der Lubbe was acting alone. Remember, inter-war Europe was rife with extreme political divisions with several factions jockeying for supremecy - the Communists, Socialists, Fascists, ethnic Nationalists, etc. Democracy was still in its infancy in much of the continent and had not yet been able to mature into a stable political system. Politically-motivated violence was widespread with coups and coup attempts in several nations (Spain, Germany, etc.). Even the relatively mature democracy in the UK was under attack from Irish nationalists. By no stretch of the imagination that an anti-fascist would commit an act of political violence against the Nazi-dominated German government. That's not even mentioning the fact that Van der Lubbe had a history of pyromania and was somewhat obsessed with attaining noteriety. Conetemporary accounts suggest that the Nazi leadership genuinely believed that a Communist revolution was breaking out, and that Hitler genuinely looked distressed and confused on arriving at the Reichstag building. The fire would eventually prove a lucky stroke for the Nazis, but benefitting from it does not mean they instigated it. Compare the affects of Japan's entering the war on Canada - it allowed an excuse for the internment of thousands of people of Japanese descent, and the expropriation of their property to the benefit of Canadian elites and governments. Surely that does not, however, mean that the Canadian government planned for the Japanese to enter the war.

    And remeber that the Nazis exemplify to the most atrocious degree the affects of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories on the public discourse allowing for the mass murder and internment of millions of innocent civilians to become palatable not only to the German government, but also to a not-so-insignificant chunk of the German population.

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    Quit calling it the US government Dilla, the whole setup and media coverage is leveraged by big corporations. You can't answer any questions I ask either. Many of the tactics these big corporations on wall street use go back to germany and further back.

    You don't want to watch Ron Paul because you would rather just believe whatever the mainstream media tells us..?

    Ok poverty is just going up by coincidence and jobs are just being lost by coincidence and the wars are just being expanded by coincidence. It's funny that you guys are afraid to look outside the box just because you're scared of seeing it from a different perspective? I mean common guys are you that narrow minded? Do you honestly think these big corporations have our best interests in mind? Yet while all these things are taking place all around us? The government is caught lying over and over again with many different issues but the media will just pass it off..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamuix View Post
    Ok poverty is just going up by coincidence and jobs are just being lost by coincidence and the wars are just being expanded by coincidence. It's funny that you guys are afraid to look outside the box just because you're scared of seeing it from a different perspective? I mean common guys are you that narrow minded? Do you honestly think these big corporations have our best interests in mind? Yet while all these things are taking place all around us? The government is caught lying over and over again with many different issues but the media will just pass it off..
    Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

    Look, i don't think corporations have our best interests in mind. It's not their jobs to have my best interests in mind, so you'd be a fool to think they did. That, however, does not lead me to the bizarre, unfounded conclusions you seems determined to hold as truth with no evidence of it. You simply want to believe these things are true, so you do. I, on the other hand demand that these things be shown, irrefutably, before I'm going to jump in.

    Oh, and there is a US government, dillweed. Feel free to call it corrupt or whatever else, but something is passing laws and that thing is a government. Doye.

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    Then why are small businesses being crushed while big corrupt ones have appeared everywhere? And haha you just tried to make it seem like I based my WHOLE belief off of one statement? Honestly I've said it before and i'll say it again I wish It wasn't true but it's clear to see what road we're going down but if people don't wake up fast enough it could easily lead to a world war three if we keep expanding these illegal wars in the middle east.

    go ahead keep buying into the media you'll see.. 9/11 was a false flag just like the vietnam war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesouris View Post
    And remeber that the Nazis exemplify to the most atrocious degree the affects of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories on the public discourse allowing for the mass murder and internment of millions of innocent civilians to become palatable not only to the German government, but also to a not-so-insignificant chunk of the German population.
    I'll accept that, but Stalin and his crowd gave the Nazis a serious run for their money.

    The difference in perception between the two has a lot to do with the fact that the Nazis were completely defeated. Their crimes have been a part of the public record since the war. Stalin's regime did not suffer the same fate, and his crimes (despite being outed to a degree within the Soviet Union by Krushchev) remained hidden for decades. The Katyn Forest massacre, for example, which the communists forever blamed on the Nazis, was only confirmed as a crime perpetrated by Stalin after the fall of communism.

    I say Georgi Dimitrov burned down the Reichstag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamuix View Post
    go ahead keep buying into the media you'll see.. 9/11 was a false flag just like the vietnam war.
    go ahead keep buying into half-retarded you tube videos, you'll see...this is too stupid to talk about anymore.

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    Quit trying to convince yourself that I base my belief off of youtube videos. You assume just because the majority of the population is being lead by a lie and that's it's unpopular to believe that we're having all of our rights taken away from us etc. that it must not be true simply because it's unpopular and it's not what the mainstream media reports on. So if it's too stupid to talk about stop posting because in the long run you'll feel like a fool anyways especially after the dollar collapses and the whole system collapses because people like you believe everything they're being told. The big corporations depend on closed minded people like you and honestly let's not argue about this anymore because only time will make a fool out of you.

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    Kamuix, you are making the assumptions here - and you are the one posting the youtube links that you believe support your nebulous paranoiac views. You have failed to support your claim that the population is being lead by a "lie." It's nothing than an unfounded assumption of yours. It's a prejudice. Ultimately, you have no clue as to what the total population thinks, feels or believes on anything, so passing such a judgment without any supporting evidence means that you are merely trying to sell a simplistic and unsupported opinion of yours. It's evident that you find a conspiracy under every rock, and never offer evidence to support the claim. As for what happens in the long run, this is not evidence either. Unless you have predictive powers of the future, such a line of thought is merely an attempt at escaping from supporting your claims in the present. You have nothing to offer but mere opinion. Nothing else at all.

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    I get that it's just my opinion. When you argue I've pointed out so many things that you do that contradict what you accuse me of doing for example you just accused me of making assumptions when you and some others constantly make assumptions. Also you guys treat me as if I'm the only one in the world who thinks this. You don't seem to be interested in discussing it so much as shooting me down at all costs to make me look as foolish as possible as if to have some sort of fear of discussing the topic. Also whenever I discuss the mind and how you argue etc. you simply won't go there. you've consistently generalized overtop of points I've made and i've caught you ESPECIALLY you doing it over and over. So it's clear that you're not interested in discussing so much as making me look foolish which is exactly what people who end up being in denial about something do. So that's your choice not mine.

    Also 1/3rd of the people here voted that they think 9/11 was an inside job and it would be interesting to start a new poll and see what people think now because the freedom movement and the 9/11 movement are growing. Remember their are millions of us now so your manipulative way of arguing doesn't work.

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