micheal_can
Senior Member
If that is the case, the 413 wont do anything either.
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Canadian Highway Fantasy Thread
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ericmacm
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Barrie
This concept envisions a full grade-separated freeway network through the Barrie area. There are not many significant changes along the HWY 400 corridor with the exception of interchange redesigns as part of the widening along that corridor, and the reconfiguriation of the HWY 400/HWY 11 interchange to make HWY 400 a continuous road, opposite of what exists currently. The major changes in the network are a realignment for a new HWY 11 corridor through Oro-Medonte running south of the existing road, in additon to a new HWY 26 corridor through Essa and Clearview, following the corridor of HWY 90 with some new alignments closer to Barrie and past Angus/Borden. I know MTO has made plans for the HWY 11 corridor, but I could not find any associated study documents for this road segment, which have likely been lost to time. I was also originally planning on running the new HWY 26 corridor up and around western Barrie through Springwater and Midhurst to follow more of the existing HWY 26 corridor, but this was too complicated. Everything in the network would be twinned to a freeway standard. This also includes new road realignments, service roads, and connecting roads. Interchange locations (19) are as follows:
This concept envisions a full grade-separated freeway network through the Barrie area. There are not many significant changes along the HWY 400 corridor with the exception of interchange redesigns as part of the widening along that corridor, and the reconfiguriation of the HWY 400/HWY 11 interchange to make HWY 400 a continuous road, opposite of what exists currently. The major changes in the network are a realignment for a new HWY 11 corridor through Oro-Medonte running south of the existing road, in additon to a new HWY 26 corridor through Essa and Clearview, following the corridor of HWY 90 with some new alignments closer to Barrie and past Angus/Borden. I know MTO has made plans for the HWY 11 corridor, but I could not find any associated study documents for this road segment, which have likely been lost to time. I was also originally planning on running the new HWY 26 corridor up and around western Barrie through Springwater and Midhurst to follow more of the existing HWY 26 corridor, but this was too complicated. Everything in the network would be twinned to a freeway standard. This also includes new road realignments, service roads, and connecting roads. Interchange locations (19) are as follows:
- HWY 11 and Line 11 (existing, conceptual upgrade)
- HWY 11 and Line 5 (conceptual)
- HWY 11 and Penetanguishene Road (existing, conceptual upgrade)
- HWY 11 and HWY 400 (existing, conceptual upgrade)
- HWY 400 and Forbes Road (existing)
- HWY 400 and Duckworth Street (existing)
- HWY 400 and Bayfield Street (exsiting, conceptual upgrade)*
- HWY 400 and Dunlop Street West (existing, under construction/upgrade)
- HWY 400 and HWY 26 New Alignment (conceptual)
- HWY 400 and Essa Road (existing, under construction/upgrade)
- HWY 400 and Mapleview Drive West (existing)
- HWY 400 and Innisfil Beach Road (existing, under construction/upgrade)
- HWY 26 New Alignment and Miller Drive (conceptual)
- HWY 26 New Alignment and George Johnston Road/10th Line (conceptual)
- HWY 26 New Alignment and Baldwick Lane (conceptual)
- HWY 26 New Alignment and McKinnon Road (conceptual)
- HWY 26 New Alignment and Brentwood Road/Sunnidale Tosorontio Townline (conceptual)
- HWY 26 New Alignment and CR 9 (conceptual)
- HWY 26 New Alignment and Old HWY 26 (conceptual)
micheal_can
Senior Member
I would like to add a Barrie Bypass.
innsertnamehere
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I've had a similar route of a Barrie - Collingwood highway in my head for a while, routing via Angus. Not sure it really needs to be a full freeway though, especially north of Angus. Could probably operate fine as an at-grade, dual carriageway road like Highway 3 between Essex and Leamington. It would probably want to be a freeway between Angus and Barrie and around Collingwood itself, though.
As an FYI, my understanding is that MTO plans to reroute 11 just to the north, not to the south, of the existing alignment at some point when it's upgraded to a full, 6 lane freeway.
As an FYI, my understanding is that MTO plans to reroute 11 just to the north, not to the south, of the existing alignment at some point when it's upgraded to a full, 6 lane freeway.
lenaitch
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Well, it's already an undivided 4-lane between Barrie and Angus and divided north of Mosley St. at Wasaga Beach. They would need to bypass Stayner to accommodate any kind of volume.
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Yeah, I'd want to divert as much traffic from Barrie as possible, meaning that a Highway 26 diversion should join the 400 somewhere between Innisfil Beach Road and Mapleview.
innsertnamehere
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The problem is that a lot of traffic on the highway will be people going between Barrie and Collingwood itself - diverting it to the south will miss all those trips.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
yes, but it's a 4-lane regional road through there.
If I were MTO I would do the EA for the ultimate facility now and start doing upgrades incrementally. Starting with the Collingwood / Stayner bypasses, then working south towards Angus and eventually Barrie. It likely wouldn't be a wildly expensive highway other than the interchange with the 400, which would probably be quite complex.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Another highway fantasy would be a better highway network in Ottawa. That would include a ring road crossing the river as well as a connection from the 417 to A 5 as a freeway.
ARG1
Senior Member
Honestly I disagree. One of the things I like about each province having their own highway signage is it lets each province have an independent character when it comes to highways. Different signage, numbering rules, styles let the provinces express themselves in their own unique way, and overall makes travelling Canada far more interesting.
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
I would like to add a Barrie Bypass.
I'd have a Barrie "bypass" travel roughly SW to somewhere around Kitchener/Guelph. With the idea being that it would allow for travel from northern Ontario to sw Ontario without entering the GTA. Particularly for transport trucks.
junctionist
Senior Member
I find the current hodgepodge of provincial highway designs to be annoying on long road trips since the road configuration keeps changing. It's hard to know how much time it will take to cover a certain distance or how demanding the driving will be.
Freeways are typically less stressful to drive on than two-lane undivided highways with passing in the lane for oncoming traffic. With national freeway systems like the Interstate, you know you're going to get a grade-separated freeway with dual carriageways with a minimum of two lanes in each direction and a rural speed limit of at least 65 mph.
It's easier to estimate driving times, it's less stressful to drive long distances, it's faster, and it's safer to have freeways from coast to coast. It encourages people to get out and drive around the country and to move to other places in the country besides the three largest cities. It's bizarre that in Canada we neither have a national freeway system, a high-quality intercity railway system, or even a well-subsidized airport network. What exactly are our priorities for transportation and developing the country?
micheal_can
Senior Member
So, connect to an extended 410?
2323
New Member
We just don't have any unified highway standards across Canada. Whether that be divided highways with at grade intersections in the west, full freeways in Ontario/Quebec, or super twos in the east, it is hard to have a unified system when quality and design standards vary significantly from province to province. The Interstate system does have unified standards from coast to coast, so it is easy to know what you are signing.
Haljackey
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True with the exception of the Trans Canada. Highway 1 should stay Highway 1 throughout the entire country and use the same shield.
In Ontario, #17 & #417 should just use this shield and be referred to as the Trans Canada / TCH only.
