thecharioteer
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Anyone who would refer to today's 20-year-olds as a "lost generation" truly has no understanding of the historical context of that phrase.
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Anyone who would refer to today's 20-year-olds as a "lost generation" truly has no understanding of the historical context of that phrase.
Urban Shocker
Doyenne
I sometimes think of my generation - specifically the friends, and friends-of-friends, who were lost to AIDS in the '80s and 90s - as "lost" because it sometimes felt as if a war of sorts was going on in our ranks.
jn_12
Senior Member
Thecharioteer:I'm quite aware of the original "lost generation" thanks. However, it is still a term that many in the media are using to describe this current generation of young adults, whether you find it appropriate or not. It's also a term that has been co-opted by many people and groups, as Urban Shocker has pointed out.
androiduk
Senior Member
Urban Shocker
Doyenne
Wandered through the park again today, and there seem to be more tents than on my last visit. The yurts are swell. There's a little library in one ( I'm thinking of donating a few books ) and the food tent is popular. I'm glad they're getting prepared for the cold weather - assuming, that is, that Frick and Frack won't have them evicted.
Urban Shocker
Doyenne
My friend Ron and I were in the library this afternoon, chatting to the "head librarian" as I call him ( he has a job but volunteers his time ) and three young women from the Library Association dropped by ( one photographed us for her blog ) to donate some books. Anyone can do so. The library yurt is quite comfy, though smallish. Other folks wandered in and we chatted about the need for a stronger arts presence at Occupy events, and music etc. And Ron filled them all in about Rochdale and late 1960s T.O. counterculture.
Then Ron and I toured the media, and other, tents.
Frightfully nice people.
Then Ron and I toured the media, and other, tents.
Frightfully nice people.
androiduk
Senior Member
This is good start as far as getting changes implemented. The power of the web hasn't yet been exploited by this generation but the potential is enormous. I can definitely see the day when powerful corporations are brought to their knees by the collective power of 'the little guy'. It was not possible before because of the lack of a reliable network. Now that the network exists is just a matter of coordination and 'a good cause' as the catalyst.
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Christian Science MonitorBy Gloria Goodale and Daniel B. Wood | Christian Science Monitor – 22 hours ago
Bank Transfer Day: Occupy-backed assault on big banks gaining steam
Bank Transfer Day is approaching, with organizers calling on Americans to move their money out of big banks by Nov. 5. Local banks, the potential beneficiaries of the Occupy-backed Bank Transfer Day, are reporting a significant uptick in business.
Some of the estimated 15,000 community banks and credit unions already appear to be profiting from the upcoming International Bank Transfer Day. Organizers of the action have set the date of Nov. 5 for consumers to shift their financial assets from large corporate institutions into community banks.
Already 650,000 people across the country have joined credit unions in the past four weeks.
As the date nears, potential beneficiaries of the global day of action are cashing in on an upswell of anti-corporate bank sentiment and are reporting a significant uptick in business. From Portland, Ore., to Rockland, Mass., smaller banks are seeing new accounts swell, compared to the same period a year ago.
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“We’ve seen our new accounts go up about 30 percent in the last month,†says Jim Schlotfeldt, chief financial officer of Albina Community Bank in Portland. The bank’s five branches normally do not open on Saturday, but Mr. Schlotfeldt says his bank is planning to make an exception this Saturday in anticipation of new business.
In Massachusetts, Rockland Trust, with some 70 branches across the southeast part of the state, says new accounts have doubled since Sept. 30 from the same period last year.
“People are saying to the big banks, ‘We are not happy. You have pushed us too far,' †says Jane Lundquist, executive vice president at Rockland Trust. She notes that the bank has free checking and one of her personal favorites, reimbursement of non-Rockland ATM fees, including overseas banks.
In fact, about 30 percent of US consumers said they’d leave their banks over fees for using their debit cards, according to a survey by the Research Intelligence Group.
The recent Bank of America debit-card fee debacle – in which large banks imposed a $5 monthly debit card usage fee, and then withdrew it in face of user outrage – has pushed many customers over the edge. “That was the straw that broke the camel’s back,†she says.
At the Studio City, Calif., branch of the Wells Fargo bank in southern California, Bank Transfer Day is resonating with customers.
“I’m doing it [changing banks] right now,†says acting coach Richard Brander, holding up a bulging black satchel. “I shouldn’t tell you this, but here it is in cash, and I’m off to put this in my credit union as we speak. If enough of us do this, we’ll make a significant statement that we don’t like the way the big banks are treating the little guy.â€
“Enough is enough,†says Jacques Ohana, a software engineer, Wells Fargo customer, and 35-year Studio City resident. “The big guys don’t care and this will send them a message that new ideas such as $5 a month to access your own money is not fair. The money’s not gathering any interest either.â€
Mr. Ohana says he has no current plans to move his money but fully supports the idea.
Like Ohana, some who support the idea, find the logistics too much to handle.
“No, I hadn’t heard of that, but I wish I had,†says real estate agent Rhonda McBride. “If I weren’t off to the dentist right now, I’d turn around and make the shift right now.â€
At least one analyst points to studies that show that while consumers may have the freedom to respond to the call to action, most will find the logistical hurdles too high to overcome.
“The process of changing banks does not take just one day. Most relationship transfers take between 30 and 60 days to fully implement,†says William Mahnic, associate professor at the Weatherhead School of Management at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, in an e-mail. “The more products/services customers use at their current bank, the longer and more complex the process becomes,†he writes.
“I’m completely in favor of this mass action but am embarrassed to say I’m notparticipating because I have too many complicated accounts after being here 30 years,†says a woman who did not want to be identified.
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Christian Science MonitorBy Gloria Goodale and Daniel B. Wood | Christian Science Monitor – 22 hours ago
Bank Transfer Day: Occupy-backed assault on big banks gaining steam
Bank Transfer Day is approaching, with organizers calling on Americans to move their money out of big banks by Nov. 5. Local banks, the potential beneficiaries of the Occupy-backed Bank Transfer Day, are reporting a significant uptick in business.
Some of the estimated 15,000 community banks and credit unions already appear to be profiting from the upcoming International Bank Transfer Day. Organizers of the action have set the date of Nov. 5 for consumers to shift their financial assets from large corporate institutions into community banks.
Already 650,000 people across the country have joined credit unions in the past four weeks.
As the date nears, potential beneficiaries of the global day of action are cashing in on an upswell of anti-corporate bank sentiment and are reporting a significant uptick in business. From Portland, Ore., to Rockland, Mass., smaller banks are seeing new accounts swell, compared to the same period a year ago.
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“We’ve seen our new accounts go up about 30 percent in the last month,†says Jim Schlotfeldt, chief financial officer of Albina Community Bank in Portland. The bank’s five branches normally do not open on Saturday, but Mr. Schlotfeldt says his bank is planning to make an exception this Saturday in anticipation of new business.
In Massachusetts, Rockland Trust, with some 70 branches across the southeast part of the state, says new accounts have doubled since Sept. 30 from the same period last year.
“People are saying to the big banks, ‘We are not happy. You have pushed us too far,' †says Jane Lundquist, executive vice president at Rockland Trust. She notes that the bank has free checking and one of her personal favorites, reimbursement of non-Rockland ATM fees, including overseas banks.
In fact, about 30 percent of US consumers said they’d leave their banks over fees for using their debit cards, according to a survey by the Research Intelligence Group.
The recent Bank of America debit-card fee debacle – in which large banks imposed a $5 monthly debit card usage fee, and then withdrew it in face of user outrage – has pushed many customers over the edge. “That was the straw that broke the camel’s back,†she says.
At the Studio City, Calif., branch of the Wells Fargo bank in southern California, Bank Transfer Day is resonating with customers.
“I’m doing it [changing banks] right now,†says acting coach Richard Brander, holding up a bulging black satchel. “I shouldn’t tell you this, but here it is in cash, and I’m off to put this in my credit union as we speak. If enough of us do this, we’ll make a significant statement that we don’t like the way the big banks are treating the little guy.â€
“Enough is enough,†says Jacques Ohana, a software engineer, Wells Fargo customer, and 35-year Studio City resident. “The big guys don’t care and this will send them a message that new ideas such as $5 a month to access your own money is not fair. The money’s not gathering any interest either.â€
Mr. Ohana says he has no current plans to move his money but fully supports the idea.
Like Ohana, some who support the idea, find the logistics too much to handle.
“No, I hadn’t heard of that, but I wish I had,†says real estate agent Rhonda McBride. “If I weren’t off to the dentist right now, I’d turn around and make the shift right now.â€
At least one analyst points to studies that show that while consumers may have the freedom to respond to the call to action, most will find the logistical hurdles too high to overcome.
“The process of changing banks does not take just one day. Most relationship transfers take between 30 and 60 days to fully implement,†says William Mahnic, associate professor at the Weatherhead School of Management at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, in an e-mail. “The more products/services customers use at their current bank, the longer and more complex the process becomes,†he writes.
“I’m completely in favor of this mass action but am embarrassed to say I’m notparticipating because I have too many complicated accounts after being here 30 years,†says a woman who did not want to be identified.
Urban Shocker
Doyenne
I dropped by the park this afternoon, ran into forum member BuildTO, and we chatted briefly to Kristyn Wong-Tam. I didn't see them on the march up Bay, though. Had a nice chat to one of the young anarchists en route, and accepted pamplets for my growing pamphlet collection once we got to City Hall.
androiduk
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canmark
Active Member
I walked by on Monday and was slightly disappointed that the yurts were smaller than I had imagined. Toronto Life has posted photos of the library yurt.
Toronto Star: Man hospitalized after apparent drug overdose at Occupy Toronto site
Is it ironic that occupiers are trying to oust other occupiers?
Toronto Star: Man hospitalized after apparent drug overdose at Occupy Toronto site
Is it ironic that occupiers are trying to oust other occupiers?
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Urban Shocker
Doyenne
When I was there the other day, seeking the appropriate person to discuss a suggestion I had, I was shuffled from one "department" to the another, like some poor wretch caught up in the tangled Federal bureaucracy. A nice, but clearly overworked, young man with the Outreach Team gave me his business card ( I kid you not ... ), which bore an address of 69 Young Street. BuildTO was able, eventually, to put me in touch with someone he knew, and that worked out for me.
In the paper the other day, one of the Occupy folks was quoted as saying, "By ourselveswe're just 300 people in a park. We want to work with anyone that wants to work with us - women, unions, people of colour." I do hope they won't spread themselves too thin, lose focus, and become some sort of politically correct rent-a-crowd.
In the paper the other day, one of the Occupy folks was quoted as saying, "By ourselveswe're just 300 people in a park. We want to work with anyone that wants to work with us - women, unions, people of colour." I do hope they won't spread themselves too thin, lose focus, and become some sort of politically correct rent-a-crowd.
canmark
Active Member
Urban Shocker
Doyenne
Were croutons thrown, too?
It's quite delightful to experience the park with all the tents, pavilions, yurts, signs and people - it's a mini-city within the great wen that is T.O. - especially with the beautiful trees turning fall colours and fairly decent weather. I suppose the forces of evil are circling, biding their time until they can evict everyone, but that's even more reason to go there, chat to the nice young folks running the show, lend support, and treasure the memory. Like clubland, it won't last forever. If you miss it ... you miss it.
It's quite delightful to experience the park with all the tents, pavilions, yurts, signs and people - it's a mini-city within the great wen that is T.O. - especially with the beautiful trees turning fall colours and fairly decent weather. I suppose the forces of evil are circling, biding their time until they can evict everyone, but that's even more reason to go there, chat to the nice young folks running the show, lend support, and treasure the memory. Like clubland, it won't last forever. If you miss it ... you miss it.
Mustapha
Senior Member
I too walk through occasionally; there are signs exhorting no drugs, no alcohol - I've never smelled wacky tabacky, was expecting a bit of this. No raised voices; altogether a rather puritanical place.
