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artgeek
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Oh, and I forgot, the immediate area has several churches and a number of pubs and bars. For your ... ahem ... spiritual needs.
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Star of Downtown, The (Willowfield/Norstar, 12s, Kirkor) COMPLETE
urbandreamer
recession proof
And I believe there's a gorgeous new park under construction near by: Regent Park if I remember correctly
Admiral Beez
Superstar
It's definitely in the plans. All this development in east downtown is exciting. The last remnants of east downtown's history as a rooming house, low rent poverty-ridden slum will soon be gone.And I believe there's a gorgeous new park under construction near by: Regent Park if I remember correctly
adma
Superstar
...and you can be sure those Michael Shapcott types will be declaring the end of the world as a consequence...
Hipster Duck
Senior Member
While there is a lot of gentrification going on, poverty is an unmistakable presence that is just around the corner nearly everywhere on the east side. You see it outside St. Mike's hospital, all along Queen by Moss Park, in the dingy apartment towers at River and Gerrard and in the crack dens along George street. It isn't dangerous but it is pretty sad.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
True enough. I was visiting St. Mikes just last week with my 5-yr old daughter and she asked me why those men were sleeping on the sidewalk. Not wanting to burden her at that age, I said that they were camping, to which my daughter replied that they needed tents and warming clothing. Smart kid.
dt_toronto_geek
Superstar
January 12th Update
Photos taken of the building are on the north and west sides from Wellesley Street
Photos taken of the building are on the north and west sides from Wellesley Street
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Good photos. I don't know why there's so much negativity about this project. Sure, it's not as tall or as innovative as we'd like, but it's a great positive contribution to the SJT community, and will bring an entire new group of middle income folks to the area.
Jarrek
Active Member
Looks good to me ...
It's all the junk on this building that, if the renderings were right, is going to be added once the finishing touches are applied, that turned a lot of people (me included) against it. Unfortunately we no longer have the renderings attached to this (or any other) thread, afaik, so it's hard to remember just how fussy the details were, but I can tell you that were an excess of cornices and mouldings planned for the exterior. Either those have been cancelled, or they just haven't started applying them yet - let's hope they have been cancelled, as that will definitely improve this building's outlook.
Oh yeah, there was one other little thing that brought this building unlimited scorn during its marketing phase: included in this building's amenities is a planned Karaoke Dinner Club. Really, that sentence should end with 13 exclamation points, but last three words mean that they are there whether I type them or not. Hard to believe, right? And who dreams up stuff like that you ask? Here's who: first time developers in this city who because of their displayed lack of discernment for prevailing cultural values, (a display that included that utterly tacky and embarrassing name that they saddled this development with), you cannot trust to deliver a condominium that will live up to the expectations of the vast majority of the public.
All that said, let's hope that we are proven wrong, and that the powers that be at Backwater Devco. have since hired a few people with the ability to steer the construction phase of this building around the worst of the marketing blunders.
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Oh yeah, there was one other little thing that brought this building unlimited scorn during its marketing phase: included in this building's amenities is a planned Karaoke Dinner Club. Really, that sentence should end with 13 exclamation points, but last three words mean that they are there whether I type them or not. Hard to believe, right? And who dreams up stuff like that you ask? Here's who: first time developers in this city who because of their displayed lack of discernment for prevailing cultural values, (a display that included that utterly tacky and embarrassing name that they saddled this development with), you cannot trust to deliver a condominium that will live up to the expectations of the vast majority of the public.
All that said, let's hope that we are proven wrong, and that the powers that be at Backwater Devco. have since hired a few people with the ability to steer the construction phase of this building around the worst of the marketing blunders.
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aiekon
Active Member
I agree. The amenities of this development were questionable, however, it was their online presence/marketing that I found even more questionable. The initial website was so terrible I almost begin to think that the entire development was fake.. e.g. a condo development shock site (2girls1cup). I basically had the same reaction with both.
With that being said, I quite like the look of the building. I just hope that they don't go ahead with all the unecessary embellishments.
dt_toronto_geek
Superstar
Rendering
For reference, this is the the best render I can find.
They got two additional floors approved. The second render is me putting my very poor graphics skills to use. For visual purposes only!
For reference, this is the the best render I can find.
They got two additional floors approved. The second render is me putting my very poor graphics skills to use. For visual purposes only!
BUGEYEDBRIT
Active Member
I can only agree about the name and amenities, they are crap (no other word will do), but the name can easily be changed and I don't think it will be too long before the 'karaoke dinner theatre' is recognized for what it really is, a party room with a karaoke machine...whoop dee doo.
The marketing was awful, but as far as I am concerned I never needed a slick marketing campaign to show me that this building would be right for me, all it did mean was that we weren't paying for an expensive website and brochures(although the white middle income couple featured in the brochure we did get are spookily, the exact same couple as in the Milan Condominium website(must be library images)...
As for the building, the developers were going for art deco, which this does achieve, its no chrysler building, but it was never going to be or aiming to be.
One thing I noticed from the street was the nasty 6 panel interior doors...they are fugly beyond compare and will be ditched as soon as I can....
The marketing was awful, but as far as I am concerned I never needed a slick marketing campaign to show me that this building would be right for me, all it did mean was that we weren't paying for an expensive website and brochures(although the white middle income couple featured in the brochure we did get are spookily, the exact same couple as in the Milan Condominium website(must be library images)...
As for the building, the developers were going for art deco, which this does achieve, its no chrysler building, but it was never going to be or aiming to be.
One thing I noticed from the street was the nasty 6 panel interior doors...they are fugly beyond compare and will be ditched as soon as I can....
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Hydrogen
Guest
The karaoke machine will eventually break, the condoporn marketing name will be forgotten, and the interior doors can be replaced.
We'll be stuck with the precast, though.
We'll be stuck with the precast, though.
Oddly enough, from the photos, it looks like me may be stuck with stucco, not precast. We await the finishing touches of this building on tenterhooks.
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P.S. - thanks for reposting the renderings, DT.
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P.S. - thanks for reposting the renderings, DT.