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TTC: Other Items (catch all)

andrewpmk said:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/05/18/ttc-urges-city-to-stop-tiff-closure-of-king-st.html

The King St TIFF closure needs to stop, but that is not going far enough.

The TTC needs to crack down on other road closures as well. The 10K last weekend is almost as bad as the marathon the weekend before. These road races shut down every bus and streetcar route that crosses them, and force a lot of weird detours, and make it very difficult to cross the street. There were a lot of TTC information people (the same people who give you directions during subway closures) hanging around the 10K route last weekend, and many confused people wanting to take various buses and streetcars.
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These events are great for the city and should always continue (and then some), but that in no way discounts the points you make. The disruption is absolutely brutal. The confusion, congestion, frustration is palpable. When reading any of the downtown transit studies I don't think I've ever seen events or construction acknowledged as a real deal problem - which it very much is. It's just one more reason why bringing any RL/Queen Subway all the way across the south end of Old Toronto should be planned for today. It was always in the Big Move to be completed circa 2031...we shouldn't ignore this.
 
And yet again on the escalator 'stand right, walk left' or not debate:

Here's further to debunk the claim for the TTC escalators:
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Whether or not TfL will now decide to roll out standing only escalators further remains to be seen. The 2015 report discusses the numerous complexities of making it work on a wider scale. For example, not every escalator would benefit from being standing-only - like the shorter ones at Canary Wharf. If a blanket rule was introduced, it could conceivably have the opposite effect on congestion. And if new rules are only applied to some escalators, then that creates a bit of a communications nightmare which makes it more difficult to enforce than a simple blanket rule of “always stand on the right”.
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http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/03/th...ter-to-stand-on-the-escalator-well-sometimes/

Article is long and detailed with charts and references.

More here:
Technology site Gizmodo put in a Freedom Of Information Request to TfL — here are the learnings in a nutshell:

  • The standing-only escalators were able to carry an average of 151 passengers per minute, compared to 115 on the 'normal' escalator, where people were both walking and standing. So, the theory was correct — having people stand on both sides of the escalator does increase capacity.
  • BUT. This only works on some escalators, depending on the height of the escalator. A study carried out at Canary Wharf in 2015 showed that forcing everyone to stand here would actually REDUCE escalator capacity by 10% — the reason being that these escalators are significantly shorter than those at Holborn, so more people are likely to choose to walk up them.
Therefore, it's complicated. And it's not yet known whether TfL will roll out standing-only escalators in other stations based on these results.
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http://londonist.com/london/transpo...tanding-escalator-trial-are-in?rel=handpicked
 
steveintoronto said:
And yet again on the escalator 'stand right, walk left' or not debate:

Here's further to debunk the claim for the TTC escalators:

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/03/th...ter-to-stand-on-the-escalator-well-sometimes/

Article is long and detailed with charts and references.

More here:

http://londonist.com/london/transpo...tanding-escalator-trial-are-in?rel=handpicked
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What is with the obsession about how poe use Escalators in Toronto. Yes we used to have signs saying walk left and stand right but they have all pretty much disappeared due to many factors. I've seen many new escalators put in and none of them have signs saying how to use them and it's not just on the TTC either all of our malls don't have them anymore either.However most ple do still when possible stand on the right and walk on the left, unless someone is being selfish and standing talking to their friend or family or just standing with a younger child.
 
44 North said:
These events are great for the city and should always continue (and then some), but that in no way discounts the points you make. The disruption is absolutely brutal. The confusion, congestion, frustration is palpable. When reading any of the downtown transit studies I don't think I've ever seen events or construction acknowledged as a real deal problem - which it very much is. It's just one more reason why bringing any RL/Queen Subway all the way across the south end of Old Toronto should be planned for today. It was always in the Big Move to be completed circa 2031...we shouldn't ignore this.
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I think events like TIFF are great for the people that attend them or crowd the streets in hopes of getting a glimpse of a celebrity but for the day to day commuter it's just a going show. A counselor that isn't on the TTC board addressed them today about the loser for TIff and about how much it affects the rest of Toronto. He poponted out that because of King being closed Streetcars and traffic are diverted to other streets and the only other streets that go across Toronto in the downtown are Queen and Dundas. Queen gets the king and chery cars being diverted tus delaying all three routes (although last year they only diverted the cherry street car vis queen and split the king car into 2 separate sections). The Dundas car then gets delayed because of all of the extra car traffic on it and then creates problems at either end due to streetcars arriving at unscheduled times. That being said I think the city and and the TIFF officials, Transportation and the TTC all need to sit down as soon as it's over this year and come up with a better solution then it is now.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
What is with the obsession about how poe use Escalators in Toronto. Yes we used to have signs saying walk left and stand right but they have all pretty much disappeared due to many factors. I've seen many new escalators put in and none of them have signs saying how to use them and it's not just on the TTC either all of our malls don't have them anymore either.However most ple do still when possible stand on the right and walk on the left, unless someone is being selfish and standing talking to their friend or family or just standing with a younger child.
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The TTC wants you to take a stand on its escalators
“Stand right, walk left” has fallen out of favour because of injuries, and at least one study suggests it doesn’t actually speed up foot traffic in subway stations.

Have your say
Do you think people should stop walking on escalators?
Yes, it's obviously a safety risk. 21.27% (1,478 votes)

No, that's ridiculous. I have a bus to catch. 78.73% (5,470 votes)

Total Votes: 6,948
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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/03/29/the-ttc-wants-you-to-take-a-stand-on-its-escalators.html

Common sense rules...
 
There are a lot of things that happen in the city which require shuttle buses - infrastructure replacement of one sort or another - but even if you don't accept the massive disruption caused to individual commuters by TIFF closure, the increase in operating costs, operator hours and bus usage a closure like 2017 TIFF's will cause is utterly unacceptable when the TTC is underpressure for availability of money, personnel and equipment. Add to that the additional insult to citizens of this happening during multiple peak hours for transportation need and the knock on effects on the streets onto which these traffic flows are being pushed.

The benefits of TIFF, like other festivals, accrue most directly to the feds and the province through sales and income taxes, with only dribbles and trickles coming to the City along with masses of costs. Imposing a partial King closure on TIFF permitting transit passage would not mean TIFF doesn't go ahead, it just means it can't overwhelm one of Toronto's principal streets with vendors.

Meanwhile, the City, with a straight face, tells us that the King Street pilot is a sign of their commitment to transit riders. Don't urinate on us and tell us it's raining, Mr. Mayor.

One of the things I've posited in the past is for the City to merge the TTC with the Parking Authority/public bikes (as well as assuming the ferries from Parks and Wreck) to create a holistic approach to getting around, bringing Green P's cashflow to the Commission and forcing those that run the combined entity to confront what parking costs vs what transit costs. But that approach leaves the Transportation Department outside of it, and we have seen with the TIFF closure that their say is the final say. That department is often seen as boring and we rarely know or scrutinise those in charge of it. That should change.
 
Not to mention that no-one begrudges TIFF having a street party. Just not on the City's busiest surface transit vehicle street! Put it on the side-streets. TIFF is producing a PR nightmare for themselves. Now showing: "Marie Antoinette starring in 'Let Them Eat Cake', and how the starving masses were forced to grovel around the media moguls".
 
If King is closes, transit riders are in for one shit of a time trying to go east-west.

The only way a 504/514 can get around this, is to go north/south on Spadina, east-west to Dundas St, south/north on Church St that will take over 30 minutes to do the detour and doesn't get riders to/from where they are going in the first place.

The other option is splitting line at Spadina and Victoria with buses going west on Richmond and eastbound on Adelaide St, assuming if TTC has any buses to do it.

Time to tell TIFF, no more closures for your event and next year you need to come up with a new plan to deal with the new King St plan.
 
drum118 said:
The only way a 504/514 can get around this, is to go north/south on Spadina, east-west to Dundas St, south/north on Church St that will take over 30 minutes to do the detour and doesn't get riders to/from where they are going in the first place.
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Queen street has streetcar tracks - they can be accessed by York NB and Church SB.

Anyways, nobody cares when the 506 streetcar is rerouted on a weekday for Taste of Little Italy or the 501 is rerouted so the Eaton Centre can build a fancy new bridge. TIFF isn't any less important than those. If you want a boring, lifeless, utilitarian city then you can move to Ottawa or Hamilton, but I feel like given the choice, most people in Toronto don't have much of a problem with walking to Spadina on a September day.
 
amnesiajune said:
Queen street has streetcar tracks - they can be accessed by York NB and Church SB.

Anyways, nobody cares when the 506 streetcar is rerouted on a weekday for Taste of Little Italy or the 501 is rerouted so the Eaton Centre can build a fancy new bridge. TIFF isn't any less important than those. If you want a boring, lifeless, utilitarian city then you can move to Ottawa or Hamilton, but I feel like given the choice, most people in Toronto don't have much of a problem with walking to Spadina on a September day.
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I guess you think riders should walk all the way from Spadina to Jarvis or beyond in the rain so King can be close??. What about riders who can't walk that far??

dowlingm said:
This was the 2016 TIFF diversion:
https://www.ttc.ca/News/2016/August/08-30-16NR2.jsp
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That last year when there was no work taking place on Queen like this year. If things are delay on Queen this year, it will mean a longer time frame for buses been used this year.

It also shows how badly the Adelaide needs to be rebuilt from Spadina to Church to allow cars to detour going east, but no real option for going west.
 
amnesiajune said:
Queen street has streetcar tracks - they can be accessed by York NB and Church SB.

Anyways, nobody cares when the 506 streetcar is rerouted on a weekday for Taste of Little Italy or the 501 is rerouted so the Eaton Centre can build a fancy new bridge. TIFF isn't any less important than those. If you want a boring, lifeless, utilitarian city then you can move to Ottawa or Hamilton, but I feel like given the choice, most people in Toronto don't have much of a problem with walking to Spadina on a September day.
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TIFF closure is two days of the work week.

Published Thursday, September 8, 2016
[A stretch of King Street will be shut down in the downtown core starting today as the Toronto International Film Festival hits town.

King Street will be closed to cars and transit vehicles between Spadina and University avenues from this morning through Sept. 12.

The closure will make room for “Festival Street,” a free pedestrian festival that takes place as part of TIFF. The event will feature concerts, screenings and vendors.

During the closure, there will be no streetcar service along King Street between York and Charlotte streets. The 504 King, 514 Cherry and 304 King night service routes will be affected.]
http://www.cp24.com/news/king-street-road-closure-in-effect-for-tiff-1.3063469

Meantime:
[One of Toronto’s signature street festivals takes place all weekend. Starting 6 p.m. Friday, College Street is fully closed from Bathurst Street to Shaw Street. College is scheduled to reopen by 3 a.m. Monday.

Also during the same period, TTC 506 Carlton streetcars will detour in both directions from College, between Ossington Avenue and Bathurst Street. And on 5 a.m. Sunday, shuttle buses in place for construction on College will begin a long-term diversion from the street, between Ossington and Spadina Avenue.]
https://www.insidetoronto.com/news-...stival-mmvas-plus-all-major-road-and-transit/

That's a weekend.

[Queen St. will be closed to vehicles between Yonge and Bay Sts. until Monday morning as construction workers make room for a new pedestrian bridge connecting the Toronto Eaton Centre to the Hudson’s Bay Company building.]
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...and-hudsons-bay-closes-parts-of-downtown.html

Also a weekend. And I guess some people's idea of a "festival"...
 
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