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The Mississauga Muse
2006-Oct-24, 13:12
View outside my parents' window --Cooksville (circa 1960), and as Mississauga, October 2006.

http://static.flickr.com/109/278266700_9d3f4ecb49.jpg

I'd be really interested in other people's Back-Then's and Now's.


Signed,
The Mississauga Muse

Archivistower
2006-Oct-24, 14:02
Much improved.

Copper1212
2006-Oct-24, 14:16
Some very cool ones from Flickr

1885
http://static.flickr.com/71/195637131_03a3f4452a_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/57/202992446_7a76b3e6c7_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/64/197270558_e420d32dcf_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/84/223934486_6aeb3107be_o.jpg

1904
http://static.flickr.com/63/194752485_f3705c9fc1_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/97/223763948_1e01bee91e_o.jpg

1947
http://static.flickr.com/77/223796829_6134e78e13_b.jpg

1895
http://static.flickr.com/71/194990041_0416578fea_o.jpg

1930
http://static.flickr.com/83/234268695_c8d5b601e5_o.jpg

1930
http://static.flickr.com/79/234283012_6f6b230253_o.jpg

1908
http://static.flickr.com/96/236377331_167c146756_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/91/236386174_f28a19cfd7_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/121/276272991_9bd7ca45cc_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/108/277947303_785b40e720_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/102/277947304_ae6c0e3b5f_b.jpg

Ed007Toronto
2006-Oct-24, 16:25
Copper's second shot of Queen and Spadina looking east. What's that spire in the distance? Looks like old City Hall but it seems to be on the south side of Queen.

building babel
2006-Oct-24, 16:33
A sad contrast: the view up Bay Street showing Old City Hall standing proudly against the skyline after surviving the great fire - and the same view with ROCP towering over it.

ronald1987
2006-Oct-24, 18:06
Those are some impressive pictures, it's unbelievable how much Toronto has changed in 1 century.
Rotterdam has also changed beyond recognition. But old cities, like Utrecht or Dordrecht, have seen little change in their central parts.

Observer Walt
2006-Oct-24, 18:36
Babel: Why "sad"? The old City Hall stood proudly then as a symbol of civic pride and continues to do so now (although partly obscured by scaffolding recently). ROCP and other taller buildings in the core speak of the progress the city is making, just as the City Hall building did in its time, but don't detract from it IMO.

Now if you were referring to elevated ramps in the foreground as "sad", I'll certainly agree.

Darkstar416
2006-Oct-24, 18:43
Wow. We really gave over University Avenue to the car.

Also, I don't think Babel is against ROCP. I think he's just saying that someone at the City should have had them alter the project slightly in order to protect that view. Certain views are worth protecting and I feel this should have been one of them.

RJR123
2006-Oct-24, 19:19
Wow, the building at the corner of Front and Yonge, which was replaced by the EDS building, is beautiful! What a loss.
I've read about a Post Office that once stood at the terminus of Toronto Street at Adelaide (I think I've got the streets right) and what a beautiful structure that was. Anybody have any pics?

building babel
2006-Oct-24, 20:14
Old City Hall, a significant civic building that was once the seat of our municipal government, was designed as a terminus to the view up Bay Street from the south. It survived as such for over a century until that view was ruined by a second-rate condo tower.

I think that some views should be considered as "heritage" - just as some buildings are - and this was one of them.

officedweller
2006-Oct-24, 20:31
A reflective glass tall condo tower south of ROCP cold restore the look of the old vista. Are there any remaining sites along Bay Street?

The Mississauga Muse
2006-Oct-24, 22:46
Thanks Copper1212 for those terrific Back-Then and Now pics.

I have to confess that I've always held Toronto City Hall with affection from the very first time I ever laid eyes on it. Happened to look over all kinds of family albums over Thanksgiving and noticed a photo of Toronto City Hall.

So what I'm sharing here is a photo I shot of an old photo (hence the reflection). Still. For the keeners among you, I'm sure you can tell me approximately when our family City Hall photo (bottom one) was taken.

I'm also intrigued as to whether ours was shot before or after the one on the left generously shared by Copper1212.

http://static.flickr.com/103/278641824_750bf1c591.jpg

Signed,
The (*SIGH* What a still-beautiful building) Mississauga Muse

building babel
2006-Oct-24, 23:00
What's that big, shadowy Godzilla thing attacking the east tower?

Ed007Toronto
2006-Oct-24, 23:59
Your City Hall shot was taken later than the one below it.

thx1038
2006-Oct-25, 01:18
excellent. thanks for posting!

The Mississauga Muse
2006-Oct-25, 10:06
building babel wrote:



What's that big, shadowy Godzilla thing attacking the east tower?

In my original post, I wrote --not all that well, I must admit-- "So what I'm sharing here is a photo I shot of an old photo (hence the reflection). " Reflection.

Unless you take precautions (which I didn't) when you bend down to (macro)photograph an old photo, there's bound to be a relection of you taking that picture.

So. What's that big, shadowy Godzilla thing attacking the east tower?
It's the photographer photographing that old City Hall photo. That big, shadowy Godzilla thing, is ME.

And I have to thank you, building babel. This morning, reading "What's that big, shadowy Godzilla thing"?... I feel a WHOLE LOT BIGGER than five foot one!


Signed,
The Mississauga Muse

tudararms
2006-Oct-25, 12:19
I agree that the old building at Yonge and Front is a sad lost, considering what replaced it. Thankfully we still have the Bank of Montreal building across the street. And how about all those lovely old trees that were on University? It truly was a grand avenue back then. Progress is good though, but maybe planners and architects could find a little inspiration in some of those old photos.

FortySixAndTwo462
2006-Oct-25, 17:11
RJR123 >> This is the best picture I could find (unfortunately, it's not so much a picture as a drawing).

http://www.brucebelltours.com/assets/images/Toronto_Street-looking_north_July_04.jpg

I agree that it was truly a magnificent building; perhaps the best example of the Second Empire style built in this city. It's a real bummer that it was lost. The site where I found the picture has a beautiful (not to mention nostalgic) account (http://www.brucebelltours.com/html/toronto_streeet.html) of Toronto Street's history .

I'm actually not so fond of the former building at NE Front and Yonge (Board of Trade building) - you'd see what I mean if you saw the whole thing, but it's kind of a mish-mash of different styles and thus a bit of a mess, especially the awkward roof.

http://www.phsc.ca/AOO/2129-44-Board-of-Trade-th.jpg

SD2
2006-Oct-25, 19:47
The near destruction of Toronto Street is a sad chapter in Toronto's history.

If I were one of those eccentric billionaires, I'd rebuild the whole thing as per the original plans (with modifications to the interior of course, so the buildings could be used without any trouble today and in the future).

TdotTrickyRicky
2006-Oct-25, 20:50
Imagine if just one street like that survived to this day. I really like that photo of Nathan Philips Square under construction, with the old building (armoury?) beside it looking like some strange acropolis.

ganjavih
2006-Oct-25, 22:26
The theme that always arises in these 'old Toronto' threads is the disappointment and sadness in how much we've lost. Let's make sure we learn from this and never allow our history to be sacrificed in the name of progress and profit again.

Observer Walt
2006-Oct-25, 23:24
The old building just west of the City Hall, which was torn down to make way for it, was the old Land Registry office. It was a handsome-looking building and if it still stood today I would think there would be a huge uproar about tearing it down. In the early 1960s this is what passed as "progress", and unfortunately a lot of these old structures were bulldozed under. I completely agree with ganjavih's sentiments.

adma
2006-Oct-26, 02:54
Two things:

(1) Keep in mind that the old Board of Trade (later TTC HQ) at Yonge + Front was demolished around 1960 or so--a good generation before 33 Yonge was built on its site. (It was parking in the interrim.)

(2) That tall tower on Queen E of Spadina was actually a firehall, around where the Zeidler office is today--it's pictured in the current "Building Blocks" exhibition in the Market Gallery...

SD2
2006-Oct-26, 06:01
(1) Keep in mind that the old Board of Trade (later TTC HQ) at Yonge + Front was demolished around 1960 or so--a good generation before 33 Yonge was built on its site. (It was parking in the interrim.)

The fact that it was demolished and left as a parking lot for a generation just makes me feel worse - not better.

adma
2006-Oct-26, 12:00
But that was par for the course in 1960. All I'm arguing is that for all of 33 Yonge's demerits (or not), don't blame it for this particular demolition--especially as if the BofT had made it through to 1980 rather than biting the dust around 1960, it likely would have made it all the way through to 2006 and beyond...

The Mississauga Muse
2006-Oct-26, 12:08
SD2 wrote:



The fact that it was demolished and left as a parking lot for a generation just makes me feel worse - not better.

Reading the comments here --the loss, sadness, and now your comments, I'd love to go to a movie with a "Back to the Future" premise where the hero is a City Planner and he's scooted back 40 years --to the 60's (the 60's were from what I can gather from discussion here was a time of considerable wreckage "progress" in Toronto).

And that Hero-City-Planner would--I don't know, but I suspect Toronto would be a Better-Different.

While I've known that some buildings of Toronto's buildings were as great a work of art as any from The Group of Seven, looking at the photos on this forum over the past month has helped me appreciate just to what degree.

I now understand that some of Toronto's old buildings were structural-equivalent A.Y. Jacksons or Tom Thomsons. And they're gone.

It's as obscene as it is sad.

Signed,
The Mississauga Muse

Darkstar416
2006-Oct-26, 18:49
The theme that always arises in these 'old Toronto' threads is the disappointment and sadness in how much we've lost. Let's make sure we learn from this and never allow our history to be sacrificed in the name of progress and profit again.
But have we? Inn on the Park? Bridgepoint's Half-Round?

bizorky
2006-Oct-26, 19:09
Look at that beauty that was replaced by the hideous EDS thing on Yonge.

adma
2006-Oct-26, 23:30
Though I, for one, can't quite judge EDS as "hideous"--low-risey, mirror-glassey, and atriummed, it's actually pretty classy for c1980. And again, to all intents and purposes it, in and of itself, didn't replace beauty; it replaced a parking lot which replaced the beauty.

Then again, as far as potentially preferrable options, imagine if Berczy Park was allowed to extend all the way to Yonge...

officedweller
2006-Oct-27, 18:13
I think I recall reading somwhere that one of the reasons buildings were replaced with parking lots was to reduce the property taxes on the unoccupied properties while they awaited redevelopment.

scarberiankhatru
2006-Oct-28, 08:10
"I think I recall reading somwhere that one of the reasons buildings were replaced with parking lots was to reduce the property taxes on the unoccupied properties while they awaited redevelopment."

And not just any redevelopment; I wonder if some of them were waiting for - expecting - just massive superblock redevelopments, in which case the block was an all-or-nothing scenario that provided an incentive to parking lot-ize more than would otherwise be warranted...kind of like the Domino Theory in dentistry, where if one building or tooth falls victim to International Communism, er, neglect/obsolesence/whatever, its neighbours soon follow.

spasongs
2006-Nov-12, 23:14
i agree, and hold on too what we still have and showcase it.

Great thread though.